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Roger Goodell sees Apple and Google as NFL’s competition instead of NBA and MLB
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:14 pm
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Once upon a time, the NFL competed with other American sports.
Once upon a time, the NFL competed poorly with other American sports.
Now, the NFL doesn’t even view other American sports as competition.
A recent email regarding Ken Belson’s upcoming book — EVERY DAY IS SUNDAY: How Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Roger Goodell Turned the NFL into a Cultural & Economic Juggernaut — shares a quote Commissioner Roger Goodell private made in the aftermath of Super Bowl LVIII in Las Vegas.
“We’re not competing with the NBA or MLB,” Goodell said. “Our competitors are Apple and Google.”
Regardless of where the NFL goes from here, it has left other American sports in the dust. And, yes, it is targeting much bigger fish.
There’s another competitor that Goodell didn’t mention. On the surface, it seems ridiculous to even discuss. But the NFL surely hopes to chase, and to catch, soccer.
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Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:18 pm to Bench McElroy
So they want to make electronic devices?
What a dumb statement
What a dumb statement
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:22 pm to Bench McElroy
Apple. McDonald’s. Vincent Chase.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:26 pm to Bench McElroy
Absolutely retarded statement. Just because you're big doesn't make all other big guys your competitors. The NFL has no competition because they have a monopoly on professional football. Not sure how exactly they view themselves besides that but apparently it's rather delusionally.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:32 pm to StansberryRules
The primary reason the NFL is so popular is simply fantasy football. All of the sudden you have a vested interest in players from teams you’d normally not give a single shite about. I know the other leagues have fantasy but the NFL’s calendar works so well with week to week matchups. I’d like to know the valuation FF contributes to the NFL alone.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:33 pm to Bench McElroy
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But the NFL surely hopes to chase, and to catch, soccer.
This is retarded.
Pro football as we know it would fizzle out over lack of youth participation before it caught soccer on a global scale.
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:56 pm to TackySweater
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So they want to make electronic devices?
What a dumb statement
I think what he means is that they're competing for attention. And in most cases, live attention.
The NFL relies (mostly) on capturing a live audience. If they can't do that because of the millions of other digital distractions, or if people simply become content with checking scores or watching highlights, they'll lose alot of advertisers (i.e., those advertisers will spend their money where the eyes are like Google and Apple).
They aren't competing with other sports because other sports generally aren't on when the NFL is on. You can be an NBA and NFL fan with no loss to either.
It's not as dumb a statement as people are proclaiming.
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:02 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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The primary reason the NFL is so popular is simply fantasy football. All of the sudden you have a vested interest in players from teams you’d normally not give a single shite about. I know the other leagues have fantasy but the NFL’s calendar works so well with week to week matchups. I’d like to know the valuation FF contributes to the NFL alone.
FF is a factor. But it's not the main factor. The reason the NFL is so popular is one word....scarcity.
In an ever increasing "on demand" society, the NFL is not "on demand" compared to the other professional leagues. MLB plays 162 games over the span of 6 months (plus a 1 month post-season). That means there is almost not a day that goes by during that 6 month period that a person can't find a baseball game to watch. That massive "supply" greatly dilutes the importance of the individual games...and "demand" for such.
The NBA plays 82 games over a period of roughly 6 months. Then, over 1/2 of the league's teams make the playoffs. Playoffs that last nearly two months. The individual games are already diluted enough with an 82 game schedule. They are rendered even more meaningless because it takes so little "success" to make the playoffs.
The NFL gives you 1 game a week for only 4 months (Sept - Dec). Then you have a 1 month playoff with only one game a week in a winner takes all scenario. No matter how badly you want to see your team play, you're only getting to do so 1 time a week for a very short period of time (4 months). That scarcity increases the importance of each individual game. It also creates a demand that far outweighs the supply.
Liken it to Christmas. The reason it is so great is because it's only one time a year. If we had Christmas 4x a week every month for 7 months it would lose all of its significance.
The NFL (and college football) always leaves you wanting more. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear Goodel and his bozos realize that is the key as they are constantly talking about (and have recently) lengthened the regular season and increased the number of playoff teams. All he sees is more games = larger TV contracts without having the forethought to realize more games/more playoff teams = more dilution.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:04 pm to rintintin
Upvote, good post
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:09 pm to Bench McElroy
The NFL is focused on one thing: Maximizing the wealth of the owners over the long term. I’m not sure characterizing it as “competition” is really true.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 2:53 pm to SloaneRanger
Ya, that's not true at all. If it were, the owners would have conspired decades ago to prevent revenue sharing from reaching the point it has today. If you cut salaries by 90%, the players would still be playing, the vast majority can't make that anywhere outside of football/media related to it
I'm not even sure how profitable teams really are operationally as you're never going to get transparency when it comes to the accounting. They use things like EBITDA, which can wildly exaggerate the profitability. It wouldn't shock me if many teams operate at or near a loss, with owners realizing their profits when they ultimately sell the team and capitalize on the gains
I'm not even sure how profitable teams really are operationally as you're never going to get transparency when it comes to the accounting. They use things like EBITDA, which can wildly exaggerate the profitability. It wouldn't shock me if many teams operate at or near a loss, with owners realizing their profits when they ultimately sell the team and capitalize on the gains
Posted on 8/6/25 at 3:07 pm to rintintin
quote:Correct. The actual market they’re in is for people’s leisure time, of which they are a top dog in one of those niches
I think what he means is that they're competing for attention
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 8/6/25 at 3:12 pm to SECCaptain
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I'm not even sure how profitable teams really are operationally
It not profitability. It’s wealth, the value of their franchises. What did Jerry Jones pay for the Cowboys in the late 80s? $150 million? People thought it was an insane price at the time. The LA Lakers just sold for $10 billion. Can you imagine what the Cowboys might go for today?
Posted on 8/6/25 at 3:19 pm to Bench McElroy
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But the NFL surely hopes to chase, and to catch, soccer.
I believe football is the greatest sport ever invented. But, I grew up with it, so its complexity doesn't faze me. Soccer's best feature for capturing the minds of the young is its simplicity. Imagine trying to teach football versus soccer to a kid from rural South America:
"How do I play soccer?"
"See that ball? Kick it into that goal."
...versus...
"How do I play football?"
"Well, first you need to pick a position."
"A position? What's that?"
"It's what job you do on your team."
"Job? I thought we were playing a game?"
"We are. Do you want to be on offense or defense?"
"What's the difference?"
"On offense you try to score. On defense you try to stop the other team from scoring."
"So only one team gets to score?"
"No, both teams get to score, but only when they're on offense. Usually. There are exceptions."
"But... wait, what? I'm confused. Ok, so how do you score?"
"There are different ways, but the most common is to get the ball over the other team's goal line."
"Ok, so I just need to pick up this ball and carry it to the other end of the field?"
"Woah! Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Most players never even touch the ball."
"But if I can't touch the ball then how do I play?"
"Well, first you need to pick a position..."
Posted on 8/6/25 at 3:47 pm to Bench McElroy
Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Goodell played no part in turning NFL into a cultural and economic juggarnuat.
That falls solely on the sport and itself and the players. Kraft, Jones, and Goodell are beneficiaries of the sport, but are in no way responsible for its popularity. The game and athletes alone are the reason why.
That falls solely on the sport and itself and the players. Kraft, Jones, and Goodell are beneficiaries of the sport, but are in no way responsible for its popularity. The game and athletes alone are the reason why.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:03 pm to Saunson69
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Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Goodell played no part in turning NFL into a cultural and economic juggarnuat.
That falls solely on the sport and itself and the players. Kraft, Jones, and Goodell are beneficiaries of the sport, but are in no way responsible for its popularity. The game and athletes alone are the reason why.
Without the owners the players are just dudes playing in the park
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:09 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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The primary reason the NFL is so popular is simply fantasy football
This is silly. It would still be popular because this country loves football
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:20 pm to SloaneRanger
The issue is the evaluations are bullshite. There are no fundamentals behind the values, many teams are flat out unprofitable with many requiring external financing for op ex. New owners use 3rd party lenders to finance the acquisitions collateralizing all team & facility related revenues. Bank of America and JP Morgan are pretty much exclusively the lenders, which is who really owns the teams, with the new "owners" generally just being figure heads that assume the debts of the prior owners
Here's a decent article that dives into some shite that was going on with the Mets circa 2010, the same is pretty much ubiquitous across sports. $430 million in debt and needed $75 million from the MLB to cover emergency expenses, and the city of NYC had just financed a new stadium stadium a few years prior with bonds.
Forbes had the franchise valued at $700 million in 2011, so ~$200 million above liabilities. But operational income was clearly negative given their outstanding debts, meaning on a fundamental level the team was effectively worthless
In reality, major tech and media companies are likely subsidizing the leagues at this point via the tv deals, which if you dig deeper I'm sure flows back to the central government. Pro sports are too integral to society to let them fail
Here's a decent article that dives into some shite that was going on with the Mets circa 2010, the same is pretty much ubiquitous across sports. $430 million in debt and needed $75 million from the MLB to cover emergency expenses, and the city of NYC had just financed a new stadium stadium a few years prior with bonds.
Forbes had the franchise valued at $700 million in 2011, so ~$200 million above liabilities. But operational income was clearly negative given their outstanding debts, meaning on a fundamental level the team was effectively worthless
In reality, major tech and media companies are likely subsidizing the leagues at this point via the tv deals, which if you dig deeper I'm sure flows back to the central government. Pro sports are too integral to society to let them fail
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:21 pm to Bench McElroy
Other sports are not competition for the nfl
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:54 pm to Alt26
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FF is a factor. But it's not the main factor. The reason the NFL is so popular is one word....scarcity.
The main factor is that a large part of the culture has grasped onto football season as a source of meaning and cultural identity for lives that have become mostly devoid of the sources of meaning we once had.
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