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Wins as a pitchers stat
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:28 am
Can someone explain why this is even a thing?
It may be the most disingenuous stat in sports.
It may be the most disingenuous stat in sports.
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:31 am to nosaj
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It may be the most disingenuous stat in sports.
Counting Super Bowl wins as a QB’s ‘greatness’
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:32 am to nosaj
Skenes isn't gonna frick you.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:33 am to nosaj
It is what it is.
Obviously, it's not the best stat to evaluate effectiveness.
Too many people think absolutely. If it's not everything, it's nothing.
Obviously, it's not the best stat to evaluate effectiveness.
Too many people think absolutely. If it's not everything, it's nothing.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:37 am to nosaj
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Can someone explain why this is even a thing?
Because they've been counting them for 100 years and it's not going to change just because Skenes doesn't have as many wins as you want him to.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:41 am to nosaj
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Can someone explain why this is even a thing?
Because that’s the pitcher’s job
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:51 am to nosaj
Pitchers used to routinely throw complete games, so seeing who did enough to win the game was at least worth tracking
it has become less relevant the less pitchers throw.
it has become less relevant the less pitchers throw.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:53 am to nosaj
Is this another Skenes is being treated unfairly thread?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:53 am to nosaj
As others pointed out, with changes in the game, this stat has lost a lot of its value.
It happens
It happens
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:54 am to nosaj
I remember when MLB quit keeping up with "Game winning RBI" as a stat in the 80's. One year you had to keep up with it. The next year, it was gone.
ETA: The birth, life and death of the Game-Winning RBI onSABR.org
ETA: The birth, life and death of the Game-Winning RBI onSABR.org
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In 1980, the Elias Sports Bureau – baseball’s statistical keepers – quietly introduced a new statistic into the sport’s vernacular: the game-winning RBI. The introduction was so quiet, in fact, that I can’t find a single article mentioning the new statistic in 1980. Instead, it just suddenly appeared in box scores that spring, innocently tracking players’ ability to hit in the clutch. Or so Elias hoped. ...
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:55 am to nosaj
We count wins in every sport because that’s the point of the game.
There are great players in every sport that didn’t get their fair share of wins because they played on bad teams. We still recognize their greatness.
There are great players in every sport that didn’t get their fair share of wins because they played on bad teams. We still recognize their greatness.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:56 am to nosaj
Objectively, this is worse than Burrow addiction.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:04 am to iwyLSUiwy
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it's not going to change just because Skenes doesn't have as many wins as you want him to.
But can we reseed the CWS to help LsU?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:07 am to nosaj
I really wish it would just be up to the scorers discretion who the most effective pitcher is/most responsible for the loss to get the W and L. Probably wouldn’t change a ton but the arbitrary requirements are stupid to me.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:07 am to nosaj
Pitching wins matter in my small town
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:07 am to nosaj
Bob Costas thinks this is still a very important stat.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:10 am to nosaj
# of QS is a better pitching stat
A pitchers record depends on how good his team is
A pitchers record depends on how good his team is
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:13 am to JimTiger72
QS is not a good stat because its built off an arbitrary amount of ER and those are heavily influenced by ball park factors, defense, and positioning
FIP has been proven to be the best indicator of true talent and best predictor of future performance
FIP has been proven to be the best indicator of true talent and best predictor of future performance
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:19 am to WestCoastAg
It’s better than wins.
Although it’s a combination of pitching stats will give the full picture.
Wins
Bubic (5)
Eovaldi (4)
Skenes (4)
QS
Bubic (9)
Eovaldi (8)
Skenes (11)
Although it’s a combination of pitching stats will give the full picture.
Wins
Bubic (5)
Eovaldi (4)
Skenes (4)
QS
Bubic (9)
Eovaldi (8)
Skenes (11)
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:28 am to JimTiger72
Sorry misread your comment
Yes it is better than wins
Yes it is better than wins
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