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Who decided that owning a house is the American Dream?
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:20 am
The American real estate industry?
Real estate lobby spent more than any group in 2024
A house is just stuff like any other stuff. Eventually after you are gone it will wear out and be gone too. Or someone else will live there who has no idea who you were.
Rhetorical: Why do our leaders always talk about making it easier for Americans to buy stuff, but not about finding ways for Americans to have more free time?
Maybe our assumptions of what we should have in life were curated and planted by others.
Real estate lobby spent more than any group in 2024
A house is just stuff like any other stuff. Eventually after you are gone it will wear out and be gone too. Or someone else will live there who has no idea who you were.
Rhetorical: Why do our leaders always talk about making it easier for Americans to buy stuff, but not about finding ways for Americans to have more free time?
Maybe our assumptions of what we should have in life were curated and planted by others.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 12:04 pm
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:22 am to weagle1999
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Who decided that owning a house is the American Dream?
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:24 am to weagle1999
pretty sure this is built into our DNA to stake a place you can call your own and do whatever the frick you want to do on it
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:25 am to weagle1999
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Who decided that owning a house is the American Dream?
Politics aside, where else are you going to sit back, relax, open a cold bottle of beer or scotch after a hard earned week?
Or sit peacefully at a recliner with a cup of coffee with nothing to do at 7 am?
Or finding stuff to do, perhaps a hobby, in the garage?
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:26 am to CAD703X
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pretty sure this is built into our DNA to stake a place you can call your own and do whatever the frick you want to do on it
Wish I'd been born a few centuries earlier during the land rush out West.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:27 am to weagle1999
With all we shell out for maintenance and repairs, it makes me wonder how the folks who get those Habitat homes can afford it long term if they couldn’t afford to buy it on their own in the first place.
A friend recently sold and downsized to leasing a nice townhome and I must admit I’m kinda jealous at times.
A friend recently sold and downsized to leasing a nice townhome and I must admit I’m kinda jealous at times.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:33 am to weagle1999
Pretty sure it was banks
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:35 am to weagle1999
Well the only alternatives are to get bent over year after year by some scummy landlord or go back to living in caves like neanderthals.
It's pretty easy to tether a glowing goal to life's second biggest necessity, behind food (which turns to sh*t much, much faster).
But you do have a point about free time. We don't prioritize that enough.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:36 am to weagle1999
still a good way to build wealth if you’re smart about it
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:38 am to Havoc
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A friend recently sold and downsized to leasing a nice townhome and I must admit I’m kinda jealous at times.
I have a 4-bedroom house in the city and a lakefront 964 SF condo about 90 miles away that's currently a rental. As soon as I retire, I'm selling the house and either moving into the condo or keeping it rented and moving into a RV full-time just so that I don't have the expenses (property taxes, insurance, utilities) and maintenance and repairs.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:38 am to AUFANATL
As someone that owns rental homes, if you think living in a rental for your whole life is cheaper you are, quite frankly, ignorant and stupid. I literally make a profit over the cost of the mortgage, insurance, and repairs.
That profit would be savings for anyone that owned the home. Not to mention I limit things like parties (rarely enforced but grounds for eviction), who can live there, when I can enter the home YOU LIVE IN, etc.
If you want to live under someone else's rules, sure lease. I'd much prefer to own a property I can do whatever I want with and not have a landlord enter once a month to watch over me.
That profit would be savings for anyone that owned the home. Not to mention I limit things like parties (rarely enforced but grounds for eviction), who can live there, when I can enter the home YOU LIVE IN, etc.
If you want to live under someone else's rules, sure lease. I'd much prefer to own a property I can do whatever I want with and not have a landlord enter once a month to watch over me.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:38 am to weagle1999
Our constitution is full of protecting property.
So I would start there.
Im going to answer anyway. The homeless in California have free time and zero responsibilities. You can always do that life.
So I would start there.
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Rhetorical: Why do our leaders always talk about making it easier for Americans to buy stuff, but not about finding ways for Americans to have more free time?
Im going to answer anyway. The homeless in California have free time and zero responsibilities. You can always do that life.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 10:41 am
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:49 am to weagle1999
The problem isn't owning a house or property, that is wonderful for the country.
This problem is the constant marketing and pushing for bigger and better, more square footage, more amenities, more stuff we don't need. Remember when the average American family of 4 or 5 easily lived in a 2000 sq ft 3-2 house or apartment.
Its also about sprawl and encourage people to build further and further away from places where there are infrastructure and services and destroying formerly rural areas, instead of reinvesting in established neighborhoods and cities.
This problem is the constant marketing and pushing for bigger and better, more square footage, more amenities, more stuff we don't need. Remember when the average American family of 4 or 5 easily lived in a 2000 sq ft 3-2 house or apartment.
Its also about sprawl and encourage people to build further and further away from places where there are infrastructure and services and destroying formerly rural areas, instead of reinvesting in established neighborhoods and cities.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:52 am to weagle1999
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Who decided that owning a house is the American Dream?
This clown right here.
Set the whole 2008 housing financial collapse into motion. Then like liberals do, blamed it on GWB. Little George was a moron but never should have gotten blamed for stupid arse clinton's financial disaster.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:53 am to weagle1999
When you look at history, the USA was the first country, that from the beginning allowed landownership to commoners.
In Europe, most countries did not allow ownership of land for commoners until the late 1800s.
And in much of the world today you still cannot "own' property as a commoner. It is rent, lease , or allowance of the government.
In Europe, most countries did not allow ownership of land for commoners until the late 1800s.
And in much of the world today you still cannot "own' property as a commoner. It is rent, lease , or allowance of the government.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 9:38 am
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:54 am to weagle1999
If I live in my house for 15 years on a 15 year mortgage, I can sell this house (which I will own outright) for loads of cash
If I live in an apartment for 15 years and I move out, I can sell that apartment for $0 when I move out
What is there to debate?
If I live in an apartment for 15 years and I move out, I can sell that apartment for $0 when I move out
What is there to debate?
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:55 am to weagle1999
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A house is just stuff like any other stuff.
I think it's a bit more important than most common stuff.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:56 am to baldona
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If you want to live under someone else's rules, sure lease. I'd much prefer to own a property I can do whatever I want with and not have a landlord enter once a month to watch over me.
My landlord never enters because he knows we’re not trashing his place
He even showed me his mortgage note and how much he’s charging me - it’ll work for my time here in FL
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:58 am to weagle1999
I always thought the American Dream was the Opportunity. The opportunity to buy a home or rent or whatever. Not necessarily the purchasing of the home or anything specific for that matter.
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