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Johnathan Turley offers clarity on the SCOTUS 5-4 decision forcing Trump to spend $2 B.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 3/6/25 at 1:37 pm
TL:DR: it ain't over.
Down But Not Out: The Supreme Court Rules 5-4 Against the Freezing $2 Billion in USAID Funds
Down But Not Out: The Supreme Court Rules 5-4 Against the Freezing $2 Billion in USAID Funds
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In an interesting 5-4 split, the Supreme Court has denied the Trump Administration’s application for a stay of a district court’s temporary restraining order (TRO) against the Administration’s effort to freeze $2 billion in funds from the U.S. Agency for International Development. The Administration is down by one vote but hardly out in the fight with lower courts over the control of this funding.
The unsigned order in Department of State v. AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition refuses to stay the temporary restraining order of U.S. District Judge Amir Ali to force the payment of the money frozen by the Administration.
However, there is more than meets the eye in this short, unsigned opinion.
While unsigned, it is clear that Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett joined the three liberal justices. The reason is the dissent of Associate Justice Samuel Alito, who was joined by Justices Thomas, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh.
The dissent has sharp elbows for both Judge Ali and the five justices in the majority:
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Does a single district-court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the Government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic “No,” but a majority of this Court apparently thinks otherwise. I am stunned.
Alito acknowledged the lower court’s “frustration with the Government” as well as the “serious concerns about nonpayment for completed work.” However, he noted that this is “quite simply, too extreme a response. A federal court has many tools to address a party’s supposed nonfeasance. Self-aggrandizement of its jurisdiction is not one of them.”
The key here is that this was a controversial move to review a TRO, which is generally not reviewable. What is clear is that there are four justices who were still prepared to do so and would obviously be likely to grant review in the next round.
That next round would come after the hearing on the preliminary injunction, which is scheduled for March 6th.
It can then be appealed to these awaiting justices. Only four are needed to grant review, so you do the math.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 1:56 pm to GumboPot
ACB will be a Trump mistake our country pays for for 30 years
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:19 pm to jrobic4
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ACB will be a Trump mistake our country pays for for 30 years
Yep.
What a dumbass decision to put her on the SCOTUS.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:22 pm to jrobic4
I'd love to see some threads from when she was nominated bumped...
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:27 pm to jrobic4
A lot of chicken little mf’s on this board acting like this decision impacts the oversight that will now be exercised regarding where this money is sent.
Can you name another decision in which she has shown to be the generational failure you’re depicting?
Can you name another decision in which she has shown to be the generational failure you’re depicting?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:33 pm to Champagne
Thank Mitch, the rancid old bastard, for that.
Trump naively trusted Republicans his first term.
Trump naively trusted Republicans his first term.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:37 pm to jrobic4
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ACB will be a Trump mistake our country pays for for 30 years
Every Republican President seems to make at least 1.
Let's hope she is it because she's not great, but she's not THAT bad (Souter).
If he replaces Thomas and/or Alito let's hope he knocks it out the park.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:37 pm to Champagne
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What a dumbass decision to put her on the SCOTUS.
Wrong in hindsight? Yes. Dumbass? Well shite this entire board was fawning over her. "Dumbass" is a bit of a vitriolic statement and not really accurate.
I was uncomfortable with it, but that was only due to Robert Barnes posting many fact based warning signs of her being an establishment shill. He was roundly ignored though.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:38 pm to crotiger0307
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A lot of chicken little mf’s on this board acting like this decision impacts the oversight that will now be exercised regarding where this money is sent.
I get both sides of this.
The $ at issue was for completed work pursuant to contracts.
At the same time, just because the work was contracted and completed doesn't mean it wasn't improper to begin with (a contract that is the result.of fraud or error is invalid).
The dissent is correct in that the ruling gives too much power to a district court judge.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:56 pm to GumboPot
This is a matter of simple contract law. The US entered into contracts and the other parities to the contracts performed. Now the US has to pay what it contracted to pay.
The very idea that Republicans don't have to pay for services already performed is ridiculous. I know that is how Trump has always operated in his businesses, but it is against the most basic laws of contractual obligations.
The very idea that Republicans don't have to pay for services already performed is ridiculous. I know that is how Trump has always operated in his businesses, but it is against the most basic laws of contractual obligations.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:59 pm to Fun Bunch
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Every Republican President seems to make at least 1.
If ABC is bad, then Trump made 3 mistakes, because they all vote similarly.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:05 pm to TBoy
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The very idea that Republicans don't have to pay for services already performed is ridiculous
BS - even if the services have been "performed" there are many reasons to withhold payment, and a proper lawsuit limited to that issue is the way to go. Withholding payments is appropriate if the services rendered are substandard or not performed correctly. A nationwide TRO by a district judge is not the appropriate remedy.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:07 pm to TBoy
Not necessarily. Just because someone invoices you for work does not mean the work was done completely or correctly. I have no problem with trump or any business holding payment until work is verified accurate and complete as ordered. Fraud is a whole other issue. If fraud involved in original contract, then investigation is certainly warranted prior to paying.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:07 pm to TBoy
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The US entered into contracts and the other parities to the contracts performed. Now the US has to pay what it contracted to pay.
How many meals were delivered? How many wells were dug?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:08 pm to TigerSprings
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If ABC is bad, then Trump made 3 mistakes, because they all vote similarly.
Gorsuch is really good, so definitely disagree.
Kav you could see coming a mile away, he was a swamp monster from jumpstreet. I thought the process might change him but it didn't much. He's in between Gorsuch and ACB.
ACB isn't "bad" but she's not good either.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:09 pm to TBoy
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contracts performed
You have no idea what was performed outlined by the contract. You also do not know if said contract was given under false pretenses, or fraud.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:10 pm to JellyRoll
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You have no idea what was performed outlined by the contract. You also do not know if said contract was given under false pretenses, or fraud.
Neither does the Court, hence the decision to let the merits proceed, right?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:14 pm to Fun Bunch
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If he replaces Thomas and/or Alito let's hope he knocks it out the park.
He also could still replace Sotomayor. If not the next president almost assuredly will with 2 terms.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:15 pm to Indefatigable
Normally yes, but the dissent is correct in not giving the lower court judges the power to dictate how the executive branch pays bills.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:16 pm to GumboPot
When Trump replaces Thomas, it has to be Ho
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