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T or F: With Nuss as our QB, LSU should be running a Pro-Style offense
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:15 am
*By Pro-style, I mean heavy mix of QB under center and shotgun. Modern usage of heavy play-action and motion.
I say True. Why? In a spread offense like LSU's where the offense is in shotgun every snap, the most effective running sets typically utilize the Read-Option (what was so deadly with JD5, where QB can hand off or keep & run). Yet we all know that we get zero value from running the Read-Option since Nuss is one of least mobile QBs in the country.
The other benefit to a spread system would be RPOs (where QB can quickly read Defense and decide to throw an immediate pass or hand it off to RB). But LSU rarely uses these situations to big positive effect. Maybe once or twice a game I've seens a quick throw to WR in that situation, but nothing that really stresses the defense.
Meanwhile, in our current spread system, Play-Action is largely neutered. Play action just does not have the same effect when executed by a QB/RB standing flat-footed next to each other 5 yeards behind line of scrimmage. If Nuss was taking snaps from under center, I think our usage of play-action would be far more effective. Plus: occasional short yardage QB sneaks would also be far less predictable than currently (when we are only under snap for a QB sneak).
I'd basically love to se an offense modeled after the system run by the Detroit Lions. Their QB (Goff) is very immobile, but they have guys run free all day (particularly over the middle of the field). Of course, it helps having a stout o-line, which we seem to lack.
I say True. Why? In a spread offense like LSU's where the offense is in shotgun every snap, the most effective running sets typically utilize the Read-Option (what was so deadly with JD5, where QB can hand off or keep & run). Yet we all know that we get zero value from running the Read-Option since Nuss is one of least mobile QBs in the country.
The other benefit to a spread system would be RPOs (where QB can quickly read Defense and decide to throw an immediate pass or hand it off to RB). But LSU rarely uses these situations to big positive effect. Maybe once or twice a game I've seens a quick throw to WR in that situation, but nothing that really stresses the defense.
Meanwhile, in our current spread system, Play-Action is largely neutered. Play action just does not have the same effect when executed by a QB/RB standing flat-footed next to each other 5 yeards behind line of scrimmage. If Nuss was taking snaps from under center, I think our usage of play-action would be far more effective. Plus: occasional short yardage QB sneaks would also be far less predictable than currently (when we are only under snap for a QB sneak).
I'd basically love to se an offense modeled after the system run by the Detroit Lions. Their QB (Goff) is very immobile, but they have guys run free all day (particularly over the middle of the field). Of course, it helps having a stout o-line, which we seem to lack.
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Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:24 am to Tiger of the Shire
I really thought Brian Kelly would bring a less predictable, more effective offense here. He had no problem winning ugly games against us because he was undoubtedly the better coach. Les almost beat him with raw talent alone, but no doubt Kelly was the better coach.
With that said, I say true as well. Those offenses are becoming more rare and may make us tougher to defend (if actually run well unlike Les Miles). However, this applies to with Gus. If you have another JD5 type of player, the offense we ran a year ago is what you should do
With that said, I say true as well. Those offenses are becoming more rare and may make us tougher to defend (if actually run well unlike Les Miles). However, this applies to with Gus. If you have another JD5 type of player, the offense we ran a year ago is what you should do
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:43 am to Tiger of the Shire
Tough to be prostyle if you can't run the ball
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:14 am to Tiger of the Shire
quote:
Meanwhile, in our current spread system, Play-Action is largely neutered. Play action just does not have the same effect when executed by a QB/RB standing flat-footed next to each other 5 yeards behind line of scrimmage. If Nuss was taking snaps from under center, I think our usage of play-action would be far more effective.
Almost every good offense in the country runs play action from shotgun effectively. It’s hard to run effective play action when you can’t run and are totally predictable. It has nothing to do with the formation.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:29 am to Tiger of the Shire
True
Needs a running game to make play action work.
Needs a running game to make play action work.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:35 am to Tiger of the Shire
Bigger question - does LSU keep Sloan in order to keep Bryce Underwood? Cause Sloan aint your guy...
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:42 am to Tiger of the Shire
Offense is Kelly’s wheelhouse. No? The offense is…well, offensive to watch. I really expected more from it at this point, but Kelly is a genius.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:44 am to Tiger of the Shire
Idk
I do know that an avg running game makes Nuss and this team a playoff shoe in.
Just like last year... have an avg defense and we win another NC
Sad we let one aspect of the team be suck arse and it cost us dearly
I do know that an avg running game makes Nuss and this team a playoff shoe in.
Just like last year... have an avg defense and we win another NC
Sad we let one aspect of the team be suck arse and it cost us dearly
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:06 pm to Tiger of the Shire
I’ve been saying this ad nauseam. We’re running an offense that is not suited for him and acting like it’s his fault. He’s throwing the ball 40+ times a games with no running game and we act surprised the other team jumps a route and picks it. Yes he can improve but our expectations for a first year starter that isn’t getting much help from his coaching staff is out of control.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 4:32 pm to Tiger of the Shire
With two projected all american tackles, LSU should be running period.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 4:40 pm to Tiger of the Shire
Agreed we should be running a USC 2004 style offense. Double tights, lot's of play action.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 5:21 pm to Tiger of the Shire
Post of the season 
Thank you
He is definitely not playing the type of offense for his skill set
Thank you
He is definitely not playing the type of offense for his skill set
Posted on 11/15/24 at 5:48 pm to Tiger of the Shire
First, you don’t need to run read option to run out of the shotgun
Second, making our passing game worse to try and make our running game better will probably just make our passing game worse
You don’t need a running QB to run in the shotgun. you need god blocking and RB with good vision.
Go look at Najee Harris. they weren’t putting Mac Jones under center.
Second, making our passing game worse to try and make our running game better will probably just make our passing game worse
You don’t need a running QB to run in the shotgun. you need god blocking and RB with good vision.
Go look at Najee Harris. they weren’t putting Mac Jones under center.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 11/15/24 at 5:54 pm to Tiger of the Shire
quote:
By Pro-style, I mean heavy mix of QB under center and shotgun. Modern usage of heavy play-action and motion.
Bring back Matt Canada?
No “pro” teams even run this anymore, it’s outdated
Posted on 11/15/24 at 5:57 pm to Jcorye1
quote:I think we could run better if we lined up in pro set or I, with QB under center.
Tough to be prostyle if you can't run the ball
In formations like that, the RB is already moving before the handoff, and has some momentum/inertia in his favor. Especially if it's a toss sweep or ...
toss dive
This, combined with the fact that a defense wouldn't know for sure it's a run (if they used that formation for both pass and run), would give the RB an edge he doesn't have in the shotgun. Jackson might have 2-3 steps before getting the ball, at which point he'd be tough to handle.
In the gun, they are standing back there next to the QB, and the defensive line gets a push both for pass rush and run stuffing.
Nuss would have to work on passing out of the formation, but I think he'd be a beast with play-action. On the down side, he wouldn't have the same time to survey the field, so you'd have 2 targets, 3 at most to go to.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:37 pm to Tiger of the Shire
quote:
Nuss is one of least mobile QBs in the country.
No he's not. He's afraid to get hit which is why he doesn't scramble unless it's the NCAA/Madden QB backpedal.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:40 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
Tough to be prostyle if you can't run the ball
We don’t know if they can’t, because they don’t commit to it. I saw successful outside runs and they never went back to it.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:46 pm to Scoob
quote:
I think we could run better if we lined up in pro set or I, with QB under center.
Seems like a lot of modification for something that would probably make run game only fractionally more effective.
At the same time, you're taking passing game weapons off the field and severely limiting the passing game.
We also don't have the true tight ends or a fullback.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 11/15/24 at 6:58 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Fractionally.. maybe, maybe not. If Kaleb Jackson gets moving, he's a big guy who has some speed. He probably gets 2 yds without a hole, and if he hits a hole he blows up a linebacker or safety.quote:
I think we could run better if we lined up in pro set or I, with QB under center.
Seems like a lot of modification for something that would probably make run game only fractionally more effective.
Similarly, if Caden Durham is already moving, he likely takes those outside runs a few more yds. Durham seems to be the only guy with enough quickness and speed to take those shotgun handoffs and do anything with them.
quote:I do agree with that. As I said, it would limit Nuss to 2-3 targets as he comes out of his drop; his primary, maybe secondary, and a dumpoff.
At the same time, you're taking passing game weapons off the field and severely limiting the passing game.
And the problem would be that we've been shotgun all year, so if we line up under center, it's a tip off that we're likely to run.
What running plays does Kentucky run out of the gun? I know they have a losing record, but the games I've seen they move the ball well on the ground. It looks like their line ties the DL up, and their backs outrun the LBs to the outside. I saw that against Ole Miss, and against UGA. They just can't pass.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:09 pm to Tiger of the Shire
I think we need to go Wing T
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