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The American Dream Now Costs $4.4 Million
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:52 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:52 am
https://www.investopedia.com/cost-of-the-american-dream-2024-8705906
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The American Dream now costs $4.4 million—that’s the estimated lifetime household cost of common milestones, including getting married, raising two children, buying a home, having new cars, saving for retirement, going on yearly vacations, and more.
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Saving for Retirement: $1.6 Million
Avg Age: 22 - 65
The dream is to start saving for retirement during your first job after college and to continue saving from the ages of 22 to 65, and to have approximately $1.6 million in retirement savings to withdraw 4% each year (adjusting for 2.5% annual inflation) for 20 years.
The reality is that many Americans don't hold retirement accounts—and those who do have accounts don’t have $1.6 million in them. About 54% of American families hold retirement accounts, according to the most recent Survey of Consumer Finances from 2022.
2 The Fed. "Chart: Survey of Consumer Finances, 1989 - 2022."The average amount held in a retirement account by 55- to 64-year-olds is $185,000 in 2022 dollars, according to the survey.
While expenditures can help define a savings target, many personal factors can affect retirement costs, especially healthcare needs. According to a recent study, the average monthly cost of an assisted living facility is $5,350 or $64,200 per year, while a private room at a nursing home is $116,800 annually.
3 Additionally, economic factors such as high inflation over the past few years have affected savings and increased debt levels, making U.S. adults less sure of their retirement savings. According to AARP’s Financial Security Trends survey from January 2024, about 33% of U.S. adults 30 and older who are regularly saving for retirement said they will not have enough money in retirement at the current rate they’re saving (up from 29% in January 2023).
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 7:54 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:10 am to boomtown143
This is germane to my "how much do you think you'll need in retirement" question the other day. Pleased to see it's still around 1.6 million. People were posting their 8-10 million dreams like they were still wondering if they'd make it.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:16 am to boomtown143
Imagine cars costing your family as much as a home throughout your life.
I guess everyone’s got their vices, but I sure don’t understand a family making 100k per year driving a new f150 and a suburban.
I guess everyone’s got their vices, but I sure don’t understand a family making 100k per year driving a new f150 and a suburban.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:20 am to nugget
I completely on the car issue. It's pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:31 am to boomtown143
Why would I be paying car notes every month my entire life?
Why am I footing the bill for my kids education?
Why am I spending $50k on a wedding?
The whole cost of American dream is ridiculous premise is well founded, but this article is dumb.
Why am I footing the bill for my kids education?
Why am I spending $50k on a wedding?
The whole cost of American dream is ridiculous premise is well founded, but this article is dumb.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:38 am to nugget
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I guess everyone’s got their vices, but I sure don’t understand a family making 100k per year driving a new f150 and a suburban.
I guess I run in different circles but I don’t know a single household spending ~100k on vehicles on a 100k gross income.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:47 am to boomtown143
Can you imagine spending $1,501 per month on vehicles for 45 years?
Maybe someone's doing that, but it ain't me.
Maybe someone's doing that, but it ain't me.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:47 am to boomtown143
Lol. Yea. Definitely can’t live anything resembling the American dream without spending $811k on cars.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:19 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I guess I run in different circles but I don’t know a single household spending ~100k on vehicles on a 100k gross income.
I know a few. All of my friends parents from school were teachers, and their friends were teachers. So married doctors and CPAs and drove the aforementioned. The others, trying to keep up with their friends, drove the same while being married to a nurse at urgent care or an inside sales person at a an equipment supply company.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:28 am to Thundercles
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This is germane to my "how much do you think you'll need in retirement" question the other day. Pleased to see it's still around 1.6 million.
I think the $1.6 million is how much you contribute to retirement, not your total number.
That $1.6 million number would grow over the 20 years of contributions and doesn't include employer's match or social security payouts.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:34 am to nugget
one of the biggest "killers" of wealth in this country
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:36 am to boomtown143
$811,000 for cars is ridiculous.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:47 am to Drizzt
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$811,000 for cars is ridiculous.
Is it though? For 2 people?
40-50yrs of vehicles
30-40k every 4-5yrs
Not everyone keeps a vehicle 10yrs
May be a little high, but don't think its THAT far off.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:14 am to Lsut81
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30-40k every 4-5yrs
This is not the American dream. This is upper class luxury.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:20 am to Lsut81
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30-40k every 4-5yrs
And people wonder why they can’t save for retirement. Who needs a new car every 4 years? The guy who is broke but driving a $90,000 new King Ranch truck.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:47 pm to Lsut81
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Is it though? For 2 people?
40-50yrs of vehicles
30-40k every 4-5yrs
Not everyone keeps a vehicle 10yrs
Yes. That is absolutely ridiculous. I average nearly 40k miles a year driving and don't buy vehicles that often.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I guess I run in different circles but I don’t know a single household spending ~100k on vehicles on a 100k gross income.
It's a bit of an exaggeration, but the overall point of people generally buying more car than they can/should has merit.
According to KBB and Cox Automotive, the average transaction price of a new car in June 2024 was $48,401, with used car transactions averaging around $25,251 in July 2024. LINK For a very rough number, we can say the average car loan is ~$36k (not interested in doing the research on used vs new car sales :p)
This is while the real median income for the US is ~$80k (so closer to $48k-$50k after taxes). While various studies show a range of consumers keeping their vehicles anywhere from 3-4 years to 12.5 years, most seem to settle around 6 years (the range is generally more like 6-8 but when you look at the average age of a used car it's a lot closer to 6). Not coincidentally, the average car loan time length is 5-6 years (67 months for used, 68 months for new).
Many have made comments here in the past about how the US consumer is slowly being conditioned into becoming permanent debtors (an indentured servant class, if you will), statistics like this serve to underscore that theory as the average household is spending $12k per year ($6k per vehicle) on car loans without ever taking a break from them (meaning average car notes are about 1/4 of real median take-home).
While the general rule of thumb is not more than 35% of pre-tax income, that damned near lifetime note changes the equation a bit. To give a little context, the average home loan is 30 years for $329k; that means ~$11k per year. So the average household is spending more on car loans per year (read: depreciating assets) than they are for their home loans (read: wealth building).
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:44 pm to Lsut81
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30-40k every 4-5yrs
This is not middle class living. More like 30-40k every ten years. This is why people are broke.
It's great if you can afford it, but affording it isn't treading water while paying a note for 6 years at 12%.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:08 pm to baseballmind1212
Even if it’s $40K per car every 10 years for 50 years it’s still $400K for a couple over their lives. And that’s before any interest.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:54 pm to nugget
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Imagine cars costing your family as much as a home throughout your life. I guess everyone’s got their vices, but I sure don’t understand a family making 100k per year driving a new f150 and a suburban.
I’ve spent a shite load of money on cars I’ve had the last 20 years but I like having cool cars and trucks. For some reason I just can’t buy something normal
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 4:57 pm
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