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re: If Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze are still on the board at 14, do you take one of them?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 3:40 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 4/15/24 at 3:40 pm to Fun Bunch
It's one of those positions where if you go into it with a 90s-era coaching philosophy (not letting them play until they're 100% ready to do everything available), then it takes a long time. If you create a role and just spam that role, a guy can grow into the role.
Also, being a really good blocker is actually a detriment to use in the passing game. This is a big reason why Kittle doesn't have monster years anymore and I think Bowers will excel in the passing game, b/c coaches won't be able to devolve into dinosaur coaching with him b/c he can be a good blocker at TE, but he's unlikely to be a really good blocker at TE
Also, being a really good blocker is actually a detriment to use in the passing game. This is a big reason why Kittle doesn't have monster years anymore and I think Bowers will excel in the passing game, b/c coaches won't be able to devolve into dinosaur coaching with him b/c he can be a good blocker at TE, but he's unlikely to be a really good blocker at TE
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Posted on 4/15/24 at 7:50 pm to LSUPilot07
I don’t think Odense is light years better than Brian Thomas. So, I wouldn’t take him at 14.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:05 pm to Magazine St
I think the sad fact is that there will be so much available when it is the Saints turn to pick at #14 but they'll be forced to take a tackle because so far Penning is an unknown and Ram may or may not be able to continue.
I won't get mad if they take a tackle. It is understood. But the misses the Saints have had on the higher round picks just doesn't ooze confidence you know?
there will be top tier defensive talent available also at #14 but that could and probably should go by the wayside. It sucks to sit there and watch that knowing another player could have been the pick if they hadn't fricked up so much recently with the top round picks.
I won't get mad if they take a tackle. It is understood. But the misses the Saints have had on the higher round picks just doesn't ooze confidence you know?
there will be top tier defensive talent available also at #14 but that could and probably should go by the wayside. It sucks to sit there and watch that knowing another player could have been the pick if they hadn't fricked up so much recently with the top round picks.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:21 pm to Fun Bunch
Like all the skill positions, TE is hard to project from college to the pros. A lot of these guys had so so production in college. Teams just fall in love with 4.5, 4.6 at 6’5” 250 lbs and think they can mold the next Gronk or Kelce
Ebron
Howard
Engram
Njoku
Hurst
Hockenson
Fant
Pitts
Kincaid
A few busts, a few drafted to bad QBs/offenses, a few promising guys. Only a handful of TEs have cracked 1k and I’m sure the Gronks and Kittles were your all pros the last decade.
It’s like ya don’t not draft Bijan Robinson or Saquon Barkley in the 1st just because Eddie Lacy and Clyde Edwards Helaire were 1st rd guys.
Ebron
Howard
Engram
Njoku
Hurst
Hockenson
Fant
Pitts
Kincaid
A few busts, a few drafted to bad QBs/offenses, a few promising guys. Only a handful of TEs have cracked 1k and I’m sure the Gronks and Kittles were your all pros the last decade.
It’s like ya don’t not draft Bijan Robinson or Saquon Barkley in the 1st just because Eddie Lacy and Clyde Edwards Helaire were 1st rd guys.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 6:38 am to GynoSandberg
I would love to see the saints trade down and take a tackle later in the first. They should get some good offers with Bowers still on the board.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:27 am to LSU1018
Bowers won't get past the jets.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Also, being a really good blocker is actually a detriment to use in the passing game. This is a big reason why Kittle doesn't have monster years anymore and I think Bowers will excel in the passing game, b/c coaches won't be able to devolve into dinosaur coaching with him b/c he can be a good blocker at TE, but he's unlikely to be a really good blocker at
I don't understand why you keep repeating this. Bowers is just fine as a blocker at tight end. You made it sound like he was a bad blocker in one of your earlier posts.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:42 am to Chalkywhite84
No I've clearly said he can be a good blocker, but not good enough to be relied on as a primary in-line guy (like Kittle).
Kelce is fine at blocking, too, but the fact he never became Kittle-level of blocking is why his receiving has always remained elite. Kittle was once neck and neck with Kelce in receiving production.
Kelce is fine at blocking, too, but the fact he never became Kittle-level of blocking is why his receiving has always remained elite. Kittle was once neck and neck with Kelce in receiving production.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
I need to find the stat, Kittle runs like half the number of routes as Kelce
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:31 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:
Bowers won't get past the jets.
I've thought this too but just how much can the Jets trust Tyron Smith to stay healthy?
How much left in the tank does Morgan Moses have?
You've got Rodgers coming off an Achilles at age 40 and even in his last season with the Packers, he just wasn't playing as good.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:11 pm to LSU1018
quote:
The podcast talking about Luka tells you enough, you don't play zone or blitz lebron because he knows how to read defenses in the half court.
This is the way to go. If Bowers drops- try to get additional picks and trade down. Problem is Mickey only trades up and never down.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 2:45 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:
think the sad fact is that there will be so much available when it is the Saints turn to pick at #14 but they'll be forced to take a tackle
quote:
It sucks to sit there and watch that knowing another player could have been the pick
I understand what your getting at but just because we “need” a tackle doesn’t mean that the lineman we draft isn’t an elite player lol. OL are some of the highest paid and highly drafted positions year in and year out. Even if we had a half decent O line I would still be confident in drafting one of the OL prospects at #14. You can never have too many. Getting a high profile skill player sells jerseys but it doesn’t necessarily win you games like the boys in the trenches do.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 3:43 pm to High Life
this is a deep draft for tackles.
The following are teams that have O-line listed as an area of need.
Dolphins
Jets
Patriots
Ravens (lost 3 starters in free agency)
Bengals- Signed Trent Brown but only a 1-year deal.
Titans
Chiefs- mainly at left tackle
Chargers- I think they pick Joe Alt
Raiders
Cowboys- Tyron Smith leaves need a center too.
Giants- their line has been weak for a long time.
Packers- guard not tackle an area of need.
Saints
49ers
Seahawks- guard not tackle an area of need.
Those are the teams to keep in mind between Joe Alt is taken until #45 the Saints pick in the 2nd round. The top prospects of tackles won't last very long.
of course, another team not listed could land a value pick if said prospect is the top guy on their board when they pick.
The following are teams that have O-line listed as an area of need.
Dolphins
Jets
Patriots
Ravens (lost 3 starters in free agency)
Bengals- Signed Trent Brown but only a 1-year deal.
Titans
Chiefs- mainly at left tackle
Chargers- I think they pick Joe Alt
Raiders
Cowboys- Tyron Smith leaves need a center too.
Giants- their line has been weak for a long time.
Packers- guard not tackle an area of need.
Saints
49ers
Seahawks- guard not tackle an area of need.
Those are the teams to keep in mind between Joe Alt is taken until #45 the Saints pick in the 2nd round. The top prospects of tackles won't last very long.
of course, another team not listed could land a value pick if said prospect is the top guy on their board when they pick.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:38 am to LooseCannon22282
Odunzes name has been misspelled in every way imaginable in this thread. lol
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:39 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:55 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:
I've thought this too but just how much can the Jets trust Tyron Smith to stay healthy?
How much left in the tank does Morgan Moses have?
You've got Rodgers coming off an Achilles at age 40 and even in his last season with the Packers, he just wasn't playing as good.
They went and got proven vets because of Rodger's age. Moses is a solid rt. You know exactly what you are going to get out of him.
Talent wise Smith is probably still a top 10 tackle. He just needs to stay healthy. His base salary is 7 mil. He can make up to 20 mil with a lot of it coming from game play bonuses.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:56 pm to LSUPilot07
Best available at a need position is just wrong in the first round. I would rather trade the pick than waste on a player that would likely be there 10 spots or more later. Bowers is a game changer, you have to take him if available. However, that being said, I think Bowers is off the board when we pick, likely someone moves up to take him.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:08 pm to LSUPilot07
If Bowers is there yes. But I rather them go OT over Odunze.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:08 pm to Jim Hopper
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:26 pm to GynoSandberg
The way bowers can just pluck the ball and accelerate is just different.
I don't remember a tight end that accelerates like him
I don't remember a tight end that accelerates like him
Posted on 4/20/24 at 1:24 am to Chalkywhite84
This thread is going to go crazy when they pass up Bowers at 14 for OT lol
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