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re: If Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze are still on the board at 14, do you take one of them?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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Latu would be a super elite prospect...except he has a major injury red flag.
He has played the last two full seasons at a very high level. If that is a red flag we differ on the definition. Would be very pleased if we got him in the first!
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:06 am to goatmilker
I'd much rather gamble on Latu than an OT not named Alt or Fashanu.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
This thread is a peak offseason thread
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:46 am to Fun Bunch
People bitching about a 17-page thread when the board is dead otherwise 
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:48 am to goatmilker
Latu is very similar to the Bosas. Incredible technique and satisfactory athleticism.
...and injury concerns
...and injury concerns
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'd much rather gamble on Latu than an OT not named Alt or Fashanu.
Unfortunately, you don't have that luxury. The team's only way of fielding a legit LT for this year is to draft one.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:58 am to moneyg
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The team's only way of fielding a legit LT for this year is to draft one.
I don't care about this year.
We have options in FA.
Donovan Smith
Becton (taking a swing but it's the same in the draft)
Peat
Leno
Those guys can all be capable LTs. Becton is a gamble, but if he hits he's our LT for the future at the same time.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:00 am to moneyg
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The team's only way of fielding a legit LT for this year is to draft one.
The last 20 years of FA and the draft say otherwise I think. Its always been the Saints MO to fill the critical needs so as to be able to draft BPA. Maybe that changes this year but its possible the FO already has its LT how ever average or short term they may be. We just don't see it yet. I say its possible just not likely from what little we know.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:04 am to goatmilker
Exactly
I think the thing that we always dismiss is Loomis's draft philosophy.
He has repeatedly said that they will never pick a guy strictly for need, that they will always go with what they consider the Best Player Available, with need being some level of consideration.
They value just getting a guy that they think will be around for awhile, that is a high level athlete, and try to think long term when it comes to the draft.
While we see the OL as a drastic, dire need, so we MUST pick one in the 1st round, they really don't think that way as much as we do.
They are going to go with the best guy on the board, in their eyes
I think the thing that we always dismiss is Loomis's draft philosophy.
He has repeatedly said that they will never pick a guy strictly for need, that they will always go with what they consider the Best Player Available, with need being some level of consideration.
They value just getting a guy that they think will be around for awhile, that is a high level athlete, and try to think long term when it comes to the draft.
While we see the OL as a drastic, dire need, so we MUST pick one in the 1st round, they really don't think that way as much as we do.
They are going to go with the best guy on the board, in their eyes
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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The OTs and Edges who fall to us are all severely flawed and not elite prospects for a reason. Turner is smallish and more an athlete than a football player. Verse is old, is not prototypical size, and lacks explosiveness. Latu would be a super elite prospect...except he has a major injury red flag. Fuaga is a OG teams are trying to convince themselves is an OT. Fautanu is more athlete than ready-made OL and is likely a guard, too Latham and Mims are huge guys with athleticism who are a few years away.
You’re talking out your arse. You can’t just shite on every 1st round player like they aren’t on the same planet as Bowers. You can find pros/cons with every football player on the planet. You’re being extremely selective. “All the players that fall to us are Severely flawed”
Come on man. With the projected run on quarterbacks we are getting an elite caliber player regardless of who we pick. Verse is I higher graded prospect than bowers and you call him “old, is not prototypical size, and lacks explosiveness”. Wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:06 pm to Fun Bunch
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While we see the OL as a drastic, dire need, so we MUST pick one in the 1st round, they really don't think that way as much as we do.
I wouldn’t consider it “settling” if we draft a OL or DL at #14. There will be an elite player available for us. A guy like Fautanu is not a ho-hum pick. He will be picked by Seattle if not us. That guy is legit. Could step in day one and be head and shoulders better than penning. The ONLY criticism I’ve heard about that guy is he might translate better as a guard. No one is saying he wouldn’t be a good tackle. He’s got some of the most proven experience in the draft at LT. He will absolutely suffice as a tackle for us but his production ceiling could be at guard. Ohh the horror!! We have an elite guard prospect in our back pocket. They say the same about the Oregon state guy and Latham at RT. All OL positions are just as if not more valuable than TEs. And we are in need of all OL positions.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:09 pm to moneyg
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The team's only way of fielding a legit LT for this year is to draft one.
You're probably right, but at the same time for better or worse the front office may also believe they can find one later in the draft. Looking at LT's since Payton was here
Jammal Brown: 2006 - 2008 - 13th overall pick
Jermon Bushrod: 2009 - 2012 - 4th round, 125th overall
Charles Brown: 2013 - 2nd round, 64th overall
Terron Armstead: 2014-2021 - 3rd round, 7th overall
James Hurst: 2022 - undrafted FA
Andrus Peat: 2023 - 13th overall pick
And you add their success with other OTs they have drafted in that same time frame, Evans in 4th, Nicks in 5th, Ram 32nd overall.; it is possible they may believe in their scouting and are willing to pass on an OT if they don't have a high enough grade on them because they truly believe they can get one later or through FA
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:21 pm to Fun Bunch
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This thread is a peak offseason thread
Just wait until Bowers’ pro day tomorrow. I’m already stretching my fingers
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:32 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Andrus Peat: 2023 - 13th overall pick
Great example of drafting a versatile lineman who can do it all.
Tired of hearing:
“Oh well he played RT in college”
“Oh he translates better to G”
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:49 pm to High Life
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You’re talking out your arse. You can’t just shite on every 1st round player like they aren’t on the same planet as Bowers.
Why did you leave this out?
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If we are dismissing TE value, then the value position we likely have to make a decision on at 14 is CB, b/c 1 of the 2 elite guys is almost assuredly going to fall to us.
The 2 DIs at the top of the draft will likely be an option, but I'm not sure if they're a fit next to Bresee. We could theoretically have a killer 4-man pass rush but we could get destroyed by power running teams.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:nor do I.
I don't care about this year.
But it’s the reality. You’ll need a LT in the draft at some point. They will take one this year because it also fits a need.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:15 pm to moneyg
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nor do I.
Which is why you take BPA at 14. This team needs to badly start stacking young studs regardless of position. Refer to the big board when 14 rolls around
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:20 pm to High Life
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Andrus Peat: 2023 - 13th overall pick
Great example of drafting a versatile lineman who can do it all.
Peat was not known as a versatile lineman at Stanford. He never played guard just LT. But if you are good at left tackle you can play anywhere 'cept center as a general fact.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:27 pm to goatmilker
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He never played guard just LT. But if you are good at left tackle you can play anywhere 'cept center as a general fact.
You just described Fautanu and why it’s not “settling” to draft the most athletic, experienced, high character lineman in the draft just because his ceiling might be guard. Thank you for proving my point
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