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Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:59 am to
Posted by Chipeace
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
402 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:59 am to
I agree he is an average coach
Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2023
2060 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:03 am to
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Baker’s one of the best 7ft shooters I’ve seen




you must be blind then


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but IMO what’s “missing” is post play


Disagree. What's missing is competent multi-level on ball creation and distribution, paired with competent off ball shooting. This isn't the 1970s. We don't need someone who is a post scorer to be successful. Baker liked to work out of the post but his lack of shooting and the space he ate on the court caused numerous, numerous problems that I could fully explain but I don't feel like it rn. His style of play was the main reason why this team struggled on both ends of the court. It did not mesh at all with the rest of our players and it caused chemistry issues with him and other players (particularly Reed). Hate to dog on the guy, but he was the main problem (coaching aside).

More than anything we need a big man that can rebound, defend, and act as a genuine roll threat off of PnR actions. A huge reason our ball screen offense was shite was because Dean and Baker weren't genuine roll threats.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 6:47 am
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7421 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:15 am to
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Turn it completely around next season or gtfo.


It’s not even a complete turnaround … take care of the ball and hold on to rebounds when you get your hands on them and this team wins a minimum of 6 more games this year.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
15259 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:44 am to
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Id like to see us make a jump next year similar to what Florida did this season. But we have GOT to get to portalling. Have to replace half the rotation this off-season.

Need talent and toughness. I honestly thought the teams lack of toughness was more of a problem this year than the former.
Posted by Zamperini2014
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2018
652 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:46 am to
Great write up! He is the worst coach in the sec and it’s not close. I know where they started from but cheating is legal now let’s get someone who knows how to recruit and develop elite players. The center on this years team couldn’t start at uno
Posted by PNG Futbol
Member since Aug 2022
506 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:51 am to
McMahon will have to get better players through the portal. If he doesn't, we will be a bad to mediocre SEC team.

I do think he got the most out of the talent he had this year, but didn't in his first year.

He will need to improve both as a coach and recruiter to be successful. I hope it happens, but I am not holding my breath.
Posted by ulmtiger
Member since Jan 2008
1967 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 6:54 am to
Today’s college coaching is very fluid except at top tier universities that have the ability to recruit with nil money and who are able to exploit the university’s brand and articulate to players, administration supporters and alumni the direction and method of a winning program. The business of sports today doesn’t afford additional time but is for programs like LSU about timing and availability of hiring with very little exception.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 6:59 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
82972 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:01 am to
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That said let’s have an honest conversation about the basketball program
No problem
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MM is not an SEC caliber coach
Oh, nevermind.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
15259 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:08 am to
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I do think he got the most out of the talent he had this year, but didn't in his first year.


I agree with this to a degree. I still had some issues with who he played, when and how much. But there was some individual and team development and improvement this year where there was regression last year.
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He will need to improve both as a coach and recruiter to be successful. I hope it happens,


Me too.
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
110510 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:24 am to
This team was a turnover machine yesterday and North Texas made us look slow & silly. No good reason to be out hustled and out coached, but we were.

Don’t see Mac surviving here if it’s more of the same next season. Hopefully our 2 signees won’t need to redshirt >sarcasm< , and we do great in the portal.

Like most here, I’d love to see men’s basketball become relevant again.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 7:34 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
59676 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:29 am to
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We have no change up on offense or defense, no pressure D, no zone


Thanks for confirming that you watched very little actual basketball this year and just came here to complain about the team losing.

We did all of these things, literally in the game last night.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
59676 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:31 am to
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This team was a turnover machine yesterday and the North Texas made us look slow & silly.


We're missing a PG and secondary ball handler. What you saw is what happens when you have no one quick enough to guard the point of opposing teams. It collapses the entire defense and on offense you don't have someone who can drive and kick. In this case, we don't really have enough shooting either.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
53050 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:35 am to
Desperation decisions are different from having it in the game plan.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
4778 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:39 am to
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This isn't the 1970s. We don't need someone who is a post scorer to be successful.

That’s why I gave an example of a current player for another conference team. No it’s not 1970, but this killed us in a lot of games — look at MSU.

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Baker liked to work out of the post but his lack of shooting and the space he ate on the court caused numerous, numerous problems that I could fully explain but I don't feel like it rn. His style of play was the main reason why this team struggled on both ends of the court.

We mostly agree, I just think he can shoot the J really well for a big guy. And I think Cook was a more consequential misfit personally.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 7:49 am
Posted by extremelsu
Member since Aug 2013
4303 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:54 am to
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That said let’s have an honest conversation about the basketball program. MM is not an SEC caliber coach and that begins with recruiting.
stupid take
Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2023
2060 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:55 am to
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And I think Cook was a more consequential misfit personally.


Personality wise sure. But how can you run a ball screen offense with a center that... doesn't set good ball screens?? And has no ability to score off the roll? You can't.

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That’s why I gave an example of a current player for another conference team. No it’s not 1970, but this killed us in a lot of games — look at MSU.


Hubbard fricked us from 3 and their defense is far too physical for the lack of shooting we had this year. Even against NTU we kept trying to force it in the paint when they would send 4 defenders. But when your lineup has guys like Hannibal, Fountain, Reed who can't shoot you're kinda fricked either way.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4163 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:07 am to
Mcman is horrible.

But he actually recruits well.

Our players have talent - we just have a shite coach.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
15259 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:07 am to
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His style of play was the main reason why this team struggled on both ends of the court. It did not mesh at all with the rest of our players and it caused chemistry issues with him and other players (particularly Reed). Hate to dog on the guy, but he was the main problem (coaching aside).


I do really hate to keep dogging him too maniac, but if he's not scoring and I mean like 20 points or more, his deficiencies everywhere else really and I mean really hurt the team in multiple ways...and the games where he scores that much are few and far between. And being that he typically plays about 25 minutes a game this year....most games it's a net negative.
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
110510 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:07 am to
When you have to give quality minutes to role players like Baker, Dean, Fountain, Wilkinson & Hannibal, it means you haven’t recruited well. Not sure if Mac is capable of fixing that as an SEC coach.
Posted by EPORE
BATON ROUGE
Member since Mar 2005
873 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:14 am to
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Will Wade. Many look admirably in his tenure, and for good reason, but he’s gone and he isn’t coming back.

WW wants to come back, and conversations have been had behind the scenes to possibly facilitate this. MM sucks and is an embarrassment to LSU. If WW get McNeese to the Sweet 16, he will likely be coaching at LSU again next season. You heard it here 1st...
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