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re: Alabama IVF ruling
Posted on 2/22/24 at 11:34 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 2/22/24 at 11:34 am to imjustafatkid
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It's amazing this case out of San Francisco hasn't ended all IVF in California. It's almost like anyone saying such a thing about Alabama is just a complete moron who doesn't know what he's talking about.
That case was for negligence, not murder. Pretty big difference.
LA laws differ from AL as LA considers the embryo as a juridical person, not an actual person like AL. What exactly does that mean, I have no idea. But that is how LA and AL laws differ.
This post was edited on 2/22/24 at 11:44 am
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 11:59 am to hawkeye007
I say we quit trying to play God. Same as with these viruses and "gain of function" crap.
Medical advances are great. But when it comes to the creation or destruction of life, I draw the line.
Medical advances are great. But when it comes to the creation or destruction of life, I draw the line.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 12:51 pm to hawkeye007
quote:What they seem to be doing is acting consistently with the notion that life begins at conception and that human life is inherently valuable and should be protected.
I really don't understand what Alabama is trying to do here. IVF has helped millions of couples have children and now Alabama wants to classify embryo's as children. Meaning frozen embryo's that are not used and destroyed could cause parents and medical facilities to me charged with man slaughter. What am I missing here or did Alabama just really go off rails here.
If those two statements are true, then that applies to conceived embryos (unfertilized children).
As much as IVF has been a blessing to many families, it still typically results in the destruction of countless human lives.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 1:19 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
What they seem to be doing is acting consistently with the notion that life begins at conception and that human life is inherently valuable and should be protected.
If those two statements are true, then that applies to conceived embryos (unfertilized children).
So let's say you're correct and we agree.
How is birth control also not killing little humans when they fall out of the uterus because Mom was taking pills so the little humans have no where to go after conception?
Should she be charged with murder?
Posted on 2/22/24 at 1:33 pm to faraway
my problem is not with Christ, my problem is with the church . History shows us that Christ isn't the problem, the Men who seek power over people with the teaching's of Christ are the issue.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 1:34 pm to NYNolaguy1
The difference is that most pills prevent fertilization rather than implementation.
It seems IVF is lab induced fertilization and then implementation. The embryo being created via fertilization and frozen before implementation.
The life begins at fertilization v. implementation is where this is likely going.
It seems IVF is lab induced fertilization and then implementation. The embryo being created via fertilization and frozen before implementation.
The life begins at fertilization v. implementation is where this is likely going.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 1:51 pm to mr bojangles
quote:
The difference is that most pills prevent fertilization rather than implementation.
It seems IVF is lab induced fertilization and then implementation. The embryo being created via fertilization and frozen before implementation.
The life begins at fertilization v. implementation is where this is likely going.
IVF is taking embryos(fertilized eggs) and implanting them them into a uterus. The case here was talking about what happens to an IVF facility in the event these unimplanted eggs die due to negligence or outright disposal/murder.
If an IVF facility can be sued for the disposal/death of unimplanted embryos, why can't a mother when an unimplanted embryo falls out of the uterus and dies due to birth control?
Posted on 2/22/24 at 1:56 pm to NYNolaguy1
For sake of discussion:
B/c the pills prevent fertilization - not implementation. At least thats my reading of it.
B/c the pills prevent fertilization - not implementation. At least thats my reading of it.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 2:08 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:As has been answered, preventing conception is different from preventing implantation after conception. Once fertilization occurs, the unique human life has been created.
So let's say you're correct and we agree.
How is birth control also not killing little humans when they fall out of the uterus because Mom was taking pills so the little humans have no where to go after conception?
Should she be charged with murder?
Regarding murder charges? It's much more tricky when talking about this vs. after birth, because there has been so much lying and misinformation about this topic that the women causing their abortions don't really know what they're doing.
I'd support the outlawing of abortion pills and abortion procedures as well as temporary funding for education regarding abortion being the taking of human life. At some point, it makes more sense to hold mothers accountable for killing their pre-born children because there won't be an excuse. I would support abortion doctors being liable for murder, though. They know exactly what they're doing.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 2:13 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
IVF is taking embryos(fertilized eggs) and implanting them them into a uterus. The case here was talking about what happens to an IVF facility in the event these unimplanted eggs die due to negligence or outright disposal/murder.
A business being held liable for acting negligently. Oh the horror!
We all know this is just prog filth trying to score cheap political points so they can have universal baby murder back on the books.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 2:20 pm to Robin Masters
If a person drops the embryos like the California case, can they be charged with murder rather than negligence?
If the embryos were sent elsewhere for "disposal", could the shipping person be charged?
If the embryos were sent elsewhere for "disposal", could the shipping person be charged?
Posted on 2/22/24 at 2:28 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
As has been answered, preventing conception is different from preventing implantation after conception.
So if I told you birth control prevents implantation after conception... Would you oppose it?
Eta: Opposing it would be in line with Catholic dogma on the grounds that it kills the embryo.
This post was edited on 2/22/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:I'm familiar with how the different birth control methods work. I'm against any birth control that prevents implantation of a fertilized egg.
So if I told you birth control prevents implantation after conception... Would you oppose it?
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:23 pm to hawkeye007
clown world
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:43 pm to hawkeye007
If an embryo is a child, does this mean a pregnant woman can get the child tax credit even the year before she gives birth? Obviously would not apply to a November, December birth.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:45 pm to Eurocat
Eurotrash, y’all.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:53 pm to roadGator
This new generation of kids is just lazy af sitting around all day in liquid nitrogen smdh
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:58 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
This new generation of kids is just lazy af
True. But if you raise a hard working kid they stand out big time.
The little leftist turds can whine while good kids thrive.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 6:02 pm to hawkeye007
It’s kind of ironic. The people who use IVF are most likely Republicans. People who abort are overwhelmingly Democrats. The super majority GOP in Alabama is too stupid to read between the lines and recognize what they’re doing.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 6:04 pm to Hater Bait
I just saw a clip of Tuberville justifying this on the basis of needing more kids to be born.
smdh again.
smdh again.
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