An undefeated ACC school would never be ranked lower than 12. I don't understand the need to "protect" these teams who are playing in shite tier conferences.

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Posted by BCLA

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:38 am to rockchlkjayhku11

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wait the top 4 conference champions get the BYEs no matter what? that sucks

Winning your conference should still matter, glad they kept that.

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Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:38 am to Epic Cajun

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An undefeated ACC school would never be ranked lower than 12. I don't understand the need to "protect" these teams who are playing in shite tier conferences.

Everyone, EVERYONE, also used to say an undefeated P5 team Luke never be left out over teams with losses in the 4 team playoff….

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Posted by Epic Cajun

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:39 am to rockchlkjayhku11

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well for starters, it would be the 12 seed that gets the benefit, not the 11

Well, for starters being ranked 11 and then having a G5 champion jump up because of auto-bids means that you are then ranked 12

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but additionally, where does it say that the 5th champion gets the 5 seed? they get in the field, do they get the 5 seed?

I don't think there has been a clarification on this, but it seems to reason that if the top 4 conference champions get the top 4 seeds, they would want to give a "benefit" to the other conference champion too, and the best benefit to give them would be to have them host the 12th seed.

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Posted by rockchlkjayhku11

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:41 am to BCLA

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Winning your conference should still matter, glad they kept that.

it matters because you get in. it's dumb that it gives you a top 4 seed. if lsu beats georgia last year, they should get a higher seed? not the best example because all of you will say yes, but be serious

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Posted by More beer please

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:41 am to BCLA

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Winning your conference should still matter,

Since when has it mattered?

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Posted by rockchlkjayhku11

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:42 am to Epic Cajun

you meant 11 before the bracket? why would you word it like that, that's insane?

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I don't think there has been a clarification on this, but it seems to reason that if the top 4 conference champions get the top 4 seeds, they would want to give a "benefit" to the other conference champion too, and the best benefit to give them would be to have them host the 12th seed.

i dont think that's the intent of the 5th champion here, but i could be wrong.

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Posted by Epic Cajun

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:42 am to lsupride87

You shouldn't create a model based upon the exceptions to the rule.

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Posted by Epic Cajun

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:44 am to rockchlkjayhku11

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you meant 11 before the bracket? why would you word it like that, that's insane?

I said ranked 11th, not seeded 11th.

ETA: regardless of semantics, the point remains, if the 5th best conference champion gets the 5th seed, it creates a cluster frick because being the 12th seed would be worlds better than being the 11th seed.

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Posted by rockchlkjayhku11

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:47 am to Epic Cajun

right, which is why that's not what's happening

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Posted by Epic Cajun

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:49 am to rockchlkjayhku11

Then if they are going to recognize that, why are they even invited in the first place?

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Posted by Fat Harry

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:50 am to Epic Cajun

Go ahead and pencil in a place for Tulane.

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Posted by Basura Blanco

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:51 am to rockchlkjayhku11

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but additionally, where does it say that the 5th champion gets the 5 seed? they get in the field, do they get the 5 seed?

It looks like only the top 4 conference champions get a bye and the top 4 seeds. The remaining teams are seeded strictly by CFP ranking. This all but guarantees a second place team from a major conference will be the 5th seed and makes it highly likely the 5th best conference champion will be the 12th seed. This is straight from the CFP press release:

CFP playoffs explained

Under the 12-team playoff format that begins this fall, the four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded one through four and each will receive a first-round bye, while teams seeded five through 12 will play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. (The team ranked #5 will host #12; team #6 will meet team #11; team #7 will play team #10; and team #8 will meet #9.) The quarterfinals and semifinals will be played in the New Year's Six bowl games, the national championship game will continue to be at a neutral site. No conference will qualify automatically and there will be no limit on the number of participants from a conference.

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Posted by rockchlkjayhku11

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:55 am to Basura Blanco

i agree, but for some reason a ton of people are completely misinterpreting that

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Posted by Epic Cajun

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:09 pm to Basura Blanco

Well good, makes sense to give the benefit to the highest ranked non-conference champion, but I still don't get the point in giving the G5 a pity invite.

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Posted by Tiger Prawn

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:13 pm to sms151t

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Another possible way is to have both teams from the CCG be auto included, if a conference does not have a CCG then just the winner of the conference. So that is 20 teams, as 10 conferences have CCG, then the last 4 teams are at larges. It rewards you for winning your division.

So we get 10 teams from the Sun Belt, C-USA, AAC, MWC, and MAC? No thanks. Top ranked G5 champ is sufficient

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Posted by Porpus

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:15 pm to tide06

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How wonderful that the champ from the SEC will get the same benefit as the winner of the AAC.

Don't worry. I'm sure there's a Wal-Mart somewhere that sells T-shirts for Appalachian State, UCF, etc.

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Posted by sms151t

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:32 pm to The Pirate King

Using my "stupid idea" here is what the field would have been and the bracket

Auto Qualifiers

AAC Tulane SMU
ACC Louisville FSU
B1G Michigan Iowa
Big XII Texas oSu
CUSA Liberty NMSU
MAC Miami, OH Toledo
MWC UNLV Boise
PAC 12 Washington Oregon
SEC Bama UGA
Sun Belt App St Troy

At Larges
tOSU
Mizzou
Penn St
Ole Miss

Left Out
OU
LSU
Arizona
Notre Dame
NC State
Oregon St
Tennessee
Clemson
K-State

Bracket

17. Tulane @ 16. Liberty, winner plays 1. Michigan
24. NMSU @ 9. Mizzou, winner plays 8. Oregon
20. App St @ 13. Iowa, winner plays 4. Alabama
21. Miami (OH) @ 12. Oklahoma St, winner plays 5. FSU

18. Troy @ 15. SMU, winner plays 2. Washington
23. UNLV @ 10. Ole Miss, winner plays 7. Ohio St
19. Boise @ 14. Penn St winner plays 3. Texas
22. Toledo @ 11. Louisville, winner plays 6. UGA

Ole Miss, Louisville, Penn St, and Ole Miss were moved off seed lines to avoid conference games before Semi Finals.

This bracket is using strict by laws and tournament rules of NCAA Championships

Using the 24 Teams from the Committee no movement

Notre Dame v Iowa, Winner Plays Michigan
SMU v Mizzou, winner plays Oregon
oSu v LSU, winner plays Bama
Tennessee v OU, winner plays FSU

NC State v Louisville, winner plays Washington
Liberty v Penn St, winner plays tOSU
Oregon St v Arizona, winner plays Texas
Clemson v Ole Miss, winner plays UGA

This bracket is way more fun to watch, but it has multiple rematches within the first and 2nd rounds.

I just think 24 is the right number, I just think the conferences should all be represented, and that every team have a legit chance at a NC before the season starts.

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Posted by Pedro

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:32 pm to Epic Cajun

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but I still don't get the point in giving the G5 a pity invite.

Using last seasons rankings with next seasons conferences (i know not perfect but it gives an idea) Playoffs wouldve been
Byes
1)Mich
2)Texas
3) Bama
4) FSU

Hosts
5) Washington
6) Georgia
7) Ohio St
8) Oregon

9) Mizz
10) Penn St
11) Ole Miss
12) Liberty

13 wouldve been oklahoma

What difference does it make giving Oklahoma that bid or Liberty? Both have long odds of making it out of the first weekend much less winning and at least Liberty did something on the field to earn it (winning their conference). It really doesnt matter and you can argue it might occasionally draw more eyeballs just for the potential of what could happen.

The people arguing against having autobids at all watch how fast college football turns into even more of a regional sport like college baseball when there's 6 SEC teams in and the rest of the country doesnt give a frick. I get its not perfect but it's probably necessary from a media marketability standpoint.

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Posted by sms151t

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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:40 pm to etm512

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By-laws of official NCAA championships

Football is different

Except that it is not. Guess you forget that the lower divisions use bylaws and their playoffs work well. Hell NCAA FBS football is the ONLY sport in America that does not have a playoff system, but every other major sport does.

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