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Jamie Dimon believes U.S. debt is the ‘most predictable crisis’ in history

Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:32 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:32 am
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Jamie Dimon believes U.S. debt is the ‘most predictable crisis’ in history—and experts say it could cost Americans their homes, spending power and national security
By Eleanor Pringle
February 11, 2024


Alarm bells are beginning to ring with increasing frequency and volume.

Jamie Dimon says Washington is facing a global market “rebellion” because of the tab it is racking up, while Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan believes it’s time to stop admiring the problem and instead do something about it.

Elsewhere The Black Swan author Nassim Taleb says the economy is in a “death spiral”, while Fed chairman Jerome Powell says it’s past time to have an “adult conversation” about fiscal responsibility.

And despite the issue being the “most predictable crisis we’ve ever had” according to former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan—a summary Dimon agrees with—it’s an item that isn’t yet top of the political agenda.

It’s also worth noting this isn’t the job of one party or the other to fix—this debt has been accumulated courtesy of spending by both Republicans and Democrats.

The list of presidents who added the most debt by percentage begins with FDR (Dem.), followed by Woodrow Wilson (Dem.) and Ronald Reagan (Rep.).

Whoever’s shoulders it falls on to address, it’s clear the public now wants action.

Last year Pew Research found that ‘reducing government debt’ was a key concern for 57% of the 5,152 people surveyed—up from 45% just a year prior.

But do individuals—who currently have a sum of more than $100,000 dangling over their heads when debt is divided by capita—need to be so concerned about the issue?

How will it impact their purse strings, their living costs, and their savings plans?

How big is the threat?

It depends on who you ask.
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That’s a primary concern for Joao Gomes, senior vice dean of research and Professor of finance at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School.

“The most important thing about debt to me that people to keep in mind is you need somebody to buy it,” Gomes told Fortune. “We used to be able to count on China, Japanese investors, the Fed to [buy the debt.] All those players are slowly going away and are actually now selling.”

America’s ability to pay its debts is a concern for the nations around the world that own a $7.6 trillion chunk of the funds.

The nations most exposed are Japan, which owned $1.1 trillion as of November 2023, China ($782 billion), the U.K. ($716 billion), Luxembourg ($371 billion), and Canada ($321 billion).

“If at some moment these folks that have so far been happy to buy government debt from major economies decide that ‘You know what, I’m not too sure if this is a good investment anymore, I’m going to ask for a higher interest rate to be persuaded to hold this’ then we could have a real accident on our hands,” Gomes said.

He added: “The moment the government in any country realizes that it cannot sell $1.7 trillion in [annual] debt anymore, you will have to impose major cuts on some programs. That opens a Pandora’s box of social unrest that I don’t think anybody wants to think about.”

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Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:38 am to
Who is buying Treasury bonds?
Posted by Tandemjay
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:38 am to
Good thing the GOPe said they would fix it for the last 30 years.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:38 am to
What does he know
Posted by Flashback
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:40 am to
His past predictions have been pretty shitty. He bats like .000 on predictions
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:40 am to
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Who is buying Treasury bonds?
The SSTF.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:43 am to
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Good thing the GOPe said they would fix it for the last 30 years.


When have they said this?

The GOPe openly abandoned fiscal conservatism in 2001 and hasn’t looked back.

GOP hasn’t been serious about the country’s finances since Gingrich led the Republicans in the mid 90s.
Posted by Nosevens
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:43 am to
Yes to all of this, what is missing is the amount of debt that US holds for these same coas well as other nations. It’s “ federal reserves” around the world that is leading this disaster
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:44 am to
This is only going to get worse as the East decouples from the dollar via Russian sanctions. Russia seems to be doing better than ever and the sanctions seem to have to effect of locking Americans in rather than hurting Russia.
Posted by DaBike
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:45 am to
No, it's climate
Posted by rattlebucket
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:45 am to
Says the guy who makes a crazy amount of money from peoples debt. Thanks Jamie
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:47 am to
The hard part for many many Americans is they have most of their saving tied up in their house and 401K. The house should be fine with a collapsing dollar. People will always need somewhere to live and in the long run real estate will do fine IMO. But people's 401Ks that are based on stocks and bonds based on the U.S. dollar is kind of scary.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:50 am to
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it’s an item that isn’t yet top of the political agenda.


That's because cutting spending enough to reverse the trend would cause some (perhaps many) members of Congress to lose their re-elections. No one goes to DC just to sacrifice their political career.

It will not matter enough for enough of the DC crowd until we see a currency crash, by then it will be waaaaaaaaaaay too late so the members of Congress at that time will blame the opposite party and those Congresses which came before (even if they were part of those Congresses). And still, they'll do their damnedest to cut as little as possible.
Posted by beerJeep
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:53 am to
You load 16 tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:56 am to
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GOP hasn’t been serious about the country’s finances since Gingrich led the Republicans in the mid 90s.


You had a Republican congress that gave a shite and a Dem President that was cool with it as long as he got credit for it.
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 7:57 am to
Dimon also believes one of the best tools for fighting inflation is the suppression of working class wages, facilitated by allowing tens of millions of low skill illegals to enter the US workforce.
Posted by Chingon Ag
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:07 am to
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He added: “The moment the government in any country realizes that it cannot sell $1.7 trillion in [annual] debt anymore, you will have to impose major cuts on some programs. That opens a Pandora’s box of social unrest that I don’t think anybody wants to think about.”


That has been the problem for decades with our elected officials in D.C. Term limits would have resolved, or at least eased, this issue long ago.
Posted by teke184
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:31 am to
When you owe the bank $1m, you have a problem.

When you owe the bank $1b, the bank has a problem.

When your country owes about $15t or more, the rest of the world has a problem.
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:39 am to
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“If at some moment these folks that have so far been happy to buy government debt from major economies decide that ‘You know what, I’m not too sure if this is a good investment anymore, I’m going to ask for a higher interest rate to be persuaded to hold this’ then we could have a real accident on our hands,” Gomes said.

I’m going to need some help understanding this possibility.

Investors of US debt have leverage in asking for a higher interest rate on debt they hold? Surely it’s about being reluctant to buy new US debt without a higher return, but the phrasing doesn’t make that clear to me.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:41 am to
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Surely it’s about being reluctant to buy new US debt without a higher return
Foreboding of fiscal dominance.
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