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Are umbrella insurance policies even necessary for most people?
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:16 pm
I've started thinking I've been throwing money down the drain. $112/mo for $1MM.
My car insurance is already hefty. Think it's 500/500/500. If so happens I get in a bad accident, State Farm going to fight like hell to never let the limits hit the umbrella.
The chances of wage garnishment beyond my current policy limits are slim. Garnishment I hear only happens in rare cases anyway. Most PI firms wont pursue beyond known policy limits. Most people have hardly any insurance anyway.
My assets aren't near $1MM. What they gonna do? Seize my debt?
Maybe I should just start saving $112. Any insights?
My car insurance is already hefty. Think it's 500/500/500. If so happens I get in a bad accident, State Farm going to fight like hell to never let the limits hit the umbrella.
The chances of wage garnishment beyond my current policy limits are slim. Garnishment I hear only happens in rare cases anyway. Most PI firms wont pursue beyond known policy limits. Most people have hardly any insurance anyway.
My assets aren't near $1MM. What they gonna do? Seize my debt?
Maybe I should just start saving $112. Any insights?
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:30 pm to DiamondDog
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My assets aren't near $1MM. What they gonna do? Seize my debt?
You aren't required to have $1M in assets in order to be sued for $1M.
That's not how plaintiffs determine their damages.
An attorney could give you better advice for what is worth their time.
If you own real estate in Georgia, I don't see why a plaintiff attorney would not go for a judgment.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:38 pm to DiamondDog
My mom got in a car accident where she was at fault and the umbrella with State Farm was absolutely necessary.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 1:44 am to DiamondDog
I'd say you're getting ripped off. I pay $150/year for $1MM in umbrella coverage with Amica. I do have home and car insurance with them as well.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 4:45 am to DiamondDog
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$112/mo for $1MM
That is unreasonably high.
Mine for $2mil is $360/yr.
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Garnishment I hear only happens in rare cases anyway. Most PI firms wont pursue beyond known policy limits.
This is not true. I was personally in a trial this week, and they are going after a friends wages.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 6:02 am to DiamondDog
Per month? That’s insane. I have an additional $1M uninsured/$5M personal excess umbrella for $570 a year
Posted on 2/4/24 at 6:35 am to DiamondDog
Yep get some more quotes OP. That’s very high. Should be less than half that
Posted on 2/4/24 at 6:39 am to DiamondDog
My umbrella policy is relatively inexpensive through USAA.
Hopefully never need it but want my assets to be protected if something terrible should happen. I’ve been a saver my whole life.
Hopefully never need it but want my assets to be protected if something terrible should happen. I’ve been a saver my whole life.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 7:02 am to DiamondDog
Conduct a bit of research to see if you live in one of the most litigious states in the country. Spoiler alert-Louisiana is second to Florida. You can always drive on the Interstate and evaluate the volume of personal injury attorney billboards. The answer may be more obvious than you realize.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 7:37 am to DiamondDog
1. As other have said, your premiums are ridiculously high and you need to shop around for something cheaper.
2. You asked a generic question as to "most people". The answer to that question is probably no, as most people are fairly judgment proof with little to no assets.
3. If you're question is specifically as to whether YOU should have an umbrella, that's a risk analysis you need to do for yourself. Insurance is just a mechanism to shift risk, so if you feel the risk of getting hit by an excess judgment is negligible and you're prepared to self insure in the event that happens, then dump your umbrella. If you like the relatively cheap (again, shop around) peace of mind an umbrella gives, then keep it.
2. You asked a generic question as to "most people". The answer to that question is probably no, as most people are fairly judgment proof with little to no assets.
3. If you're question is specifically as to whether YOU should have an umbrella, that's a risk analysis you need to do for yourself. Insurance is just a mechanism to shift risk, so if you feel the risk of getting hit by an excess judgment is negligible and you're prepared to self insure in the event that happens, then dump your umbrella. If you like the relatively cheap (again, shop around) peace of mind an umbrella gives, then keep it.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 7:55 am to DiamondDog
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Are umbrella insurance policies even necessary for most people?
For "most"? No.
All? Yes. $112 per month must be a typo.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:23 am to DiamondDog
Depends on what you have and your risk tolerance for losing it. Your call.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:26 am to DiamondDog
quote:Depends on what kind of income level we’re talking and the extent of the injuries.
The chances of wage garnishment beyond my current policy limits are slim. Garnishment I hear only happens in rare cases anyway. Most PI firms wont pursue beyond known policy limits
Soft tissue injury or “injury” (wink wink) and the liable driver making $60k a year….the PI lawyer is probably just trying to get policy limits or as much as they can get a quick settlement for and move on.
Bad injuries that require multiple surgeries and the liable driver is a high earner? Now there’s juice to be squeezed beyond just the auto policy limits. And don’t forget that the other party’s health insurance is going to seek reimbursement for the medical bills for injuries you were liable for.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:43 am to DiamondDog
Most people the answer is no because they have no assets.
That being said as others have said 112 dollars a month is insane. You are getting ripped off
That being said as others have said 112 dollars a month is insane. You are getting ripped off
Posted on 2/4/24 at 5:13 pm to DiamondDog
#1 You’re paying too much.
#2 With the cost of vehicles, health care and liability claims you can blow through $500k in a heartbeat. A friend was involved in a multi car accident he the cost of vehicle physical damage alone was in excess of $200k.
#2 With the cost of vehicles, health care and liability claims you can blow through $500k in a heartbeat. A friend was involved in a multi car accident he the cost of vehicle physical damage alone was in excess of $200k.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 6:40 pm to DiamondDog
So this thread made me check my coverage limits (Thanks OP! I haven’t updated this in over 10 years). Turns out I’m only covered up to $50K/$100K on bodily injury liability and $50K/$100K on uninsured motorist. What would be the best route to increase coverage? Increase the car premium and a personal umbrella on top of that? My estate is worth significantly more than $1M (This is not a brag, more of an “oh frick” moment!)
Posted on 2/4/24 at 7:21 pm to DiamondDog
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Think it's 500/500/500. If so happens I get in a bad accident, State Farm going to fight like hell to never let the limits hit the umbrella.
Unless you change lanes on the interstate and a car is in your blind spot. You fishtail that car, sending you into a spin as well. You and the other vehicle each hit another vehicle during the spin, and then a pileup occurs. 7 people are injured, 3 have serious injuries. During the discovery phase of the investigation, it is learned that your iPhone was unlocked via its face recognition ability a minute before the first 911 call was made.
Guarantee you’d be thrilled if you had an umbrella policy then.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:56 am to DiamondDog
1) do you have anything of risk to lose
2) is the risk of losing everything and starting over worth the $112/mo
Insurance is risk management....need to decide if its worth it to you
In my previous house i was in flood zone X but close enough to Zone AE that i bought flood insurance. came very close in 2016 to getting water in my house (2" away). Knowing if it got in i have coverage was well worth the the cost of the yearly policy.
Get in a big accident and the stress level waiting to see if you auto policy is maxed and they may or may not go for your assets/wage garnishments would be worth he $115/mo to me. Especially if you have teen drives that would increase your risk exposure....
2) is the risk of losing everything and starting over worth the $112/mo
Insurance is risk management....need to decide if its worth it to you
In my previous house i was in flood zone X but close enough to Zone AE that i bought flood insurance. came very close in 2016 to getting water in my house (2" away). Knowing if it got in i have coverage was well worth the the cost of the yearly policy.
Get in a big accident and the stress level waiting to see if you auto policy is maxed and they may or may not go for your assets/wage garnishments would be worth he $115/mo to me. Especially if you have teen drives that would increase your risk exposure....
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:09 pm to DiamondDog
Most insurance isn’t “necessary” for most but everyone should have it.
I have $3 million for about $400/year
I have $3 million for about $400/year
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:39 pm to DiamondDog
If you have substantial assets to protect, yes.
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