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re: Elon Musk: Without U.S. Tariffs, China Will ‘Demolish’ American Auto Industry
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:35 am to Flats
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:35 am to Flats
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How can anybody not understand this?
That attitude got us Acura, Infiniti and Lexus in the 80s. Great for japanese and American consumer, not so much for American automakers.
The japanese increase in quality and performance caused American automakers to reform.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:50 am to BCreed1
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BYD is the company that is up ending Tesla. Never mind that they stole the tech etc..
Thanks for posting this. Looks impressive. Especially the blade battery that you can drill through. That’s seems like a step forward in safety.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:52 am to jimmy the leg
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To be fair, it was only a rental, but is was quite nice, and ran like a top.
So do Dodge products.....when they're new. You can't really judge a vehicle until it has 200K on the clock.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:57 am to Tantal
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So do Dodge products.....when they're new. You can't really judge a vehicle until it has 200K on the clock.
Just a hunch, but we will all lease vehicles for two years before long instead of owning, to keep the auto markets booming and people consuming.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:59 am to roadGator
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But for they are giant pieces of shite.
They will be the new Yugo.
Unfortunately they have access to all the Western assembly schematics they could ever want, and they'll be so cheaply available thanks to slave labor that replacing them after 2-3 years won't be a big deal anyway.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Just a hunch, but we will all lease vehicles for two years before long instead of owning, to keep the auto markets booming and people consuming.
Not me. I like my old truck and intend to keep it.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:06 am to Tantal
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Not me. I like my old truck and intend to keep it
Older ICE gas/diesel trucks will become extremely valuable.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Future factories will be primarily automation with little human labor input.
It's so unfortunate that we don't live in the future.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:48 am to SDVTiger
The Koreans and Japanese are the only Asians I trust with cars.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:59 am to bird35
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Maybe US car makers will make cars for less than 40k again.
Won't happen. The unions have too much control. Gotta make sure the janitor is paid $100 an hour.
But this is what unions always do and why they suck. All they do is price themselves out of the market and cause the company to go belly up.
So I say bring on the Chinese cars, baws.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:04 am to imjustafatkid
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It's so unfortunate that we don't live in the future.
Most unskilled mfg jobs (including automakers) can easily be done without human input now.
The new UAW contract ensures fewer Autoworkers. Not Chinese cars.
American companies cant compete due to uber high wages for unskilled/uneducated workers, and regulation. Companies will figure out a way around the labor issue pretty quickly.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:13 am to SDVTiger
Owner of car company wants tariffs on imports.
More on this breaking story at 11.
More on this breaking story at 11.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:14 am to TejasHorn
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Owner of car company wants tariffs on imports.
Yep, good old protectionism.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:48 am to Speckhunter2012
quote:It's your belief that the Uyghurs are being used as slave labor in major industry that impacts the US?
The Uyghurs say Hold Me Beer.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:52 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:I know what's going on with the Uyghurs. The chicomms are despicable.
Check out how they use the Uyghurs they have them literally in camps and utilize forced labor. There is plenty of evidence.
The last report I saw from the Global Slave index put it at 5.8 million people living in slave labor.
LINK
The only people there is “very little evidence of this” for are those whose heads are firmly planted in the sand or their assed.
Even our own DOL admit there is slavery in China LINK
All I'm saying is there's no evidence that is more than a rounding error on "demolishing" any American industry.
I mean, part of the reason for recent inflation is that the Chinese worker no longer agrees to work for essentially free. A lot of the disinflation of the past 20 years was because we offshored so much labor to China. As the middle class has burgeoned there, they now command a much higher rate - often, no longer as obviously competitive with American manufacturing rates.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:02 am to SDVTiger
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The Chinese car companies are the most competitive car companies in the world,” Musk said on the call, CNBC reports: “So, I think they will have significant success outside of China depending on what kind of tariffs or trade barriers are established,” Musk said on Tesla’s earnings call Wednesday. [Emphasis added] “Frankly, I think, if there are not trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other companies in the world.”
Car maker doesn’t want competition. Film at 11.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:17 am to jimmy the leg
quote:Like the Japanese, China can build as plush and solid a vehicle as ANY manufacturer in the world, if they want to. Don't be fooled!
That wasn’t my experience.
To be fair, it was only a rental, but is was quite nice, and ran like a top.
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Musk speaks the absolute truth! I was in the automobile business (GM dealer) for 25 years, and watched (firsthand) the Japanese take their product from the outhouse to the penthouse in less than a decade. China can do the same, even at a faster clip.
Our only hope to offset this, to my knowledge, involve tariffs and/or quota limits.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:19 am to Smeg
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You can't compete against subsidized slave labor.
FIFY
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:07 pm to SDVTiger
So we should all pay more for cars so a few people can have jobs? We're paying 70k to 90k for 50k trucks. End the tariffs, this is simple Austrian economics
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