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re: Virgin Atlantic flight bound for NYC cancelled when passenger spots missing bolts on wing
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:56 am to cubsfan5150
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:56 am to cubsfan5150
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Aerodynamic sealant is always cracked, but I can understand what you’re getting at.
The movement is probably not even noticeable to the human eye while it is taking place. From those pictures it difficult to tell if the location of wing with the missing screws are in the laminar or turbulent part of the wing. If it's in the laminar portion the risk of material failure is lower than the turbulent region. During laminar flow the air is simply flowing into and out of the seams without the screws. The laminar air entering this area will immediately become turbulent on exit. If it's in the turbulent area the potential for more fatigue is greater because the vortex shedding will lift and lower the section at a very high frequency and with enough cycles more damage will ensue.
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:57 am to cubsfan5150
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missing fasteners on certain wing panels, especially on the trailing edge, is common, however, I believe four in a row would be an issue.
Word. Not a leading edge? No biggie. Throw some speed tape on it and pull chocks.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:01 am to When in Rome
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I’d be curious to hear from our resident pilots on this one regarding if there are certain allowances for X number of bolts to be missing while retaining integrity of that part of the plane etc. …
Not a pilot, but yes, there is margin for a fastening surface. That’s for an emergency, not because the ground crew went to lunch and forgot to placekeep where they were in the reassembly steps.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:02 am to lsuhunt555
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If 9 won't hold it, 10 won't either.
But it goes to 11.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:07 am to GetCocky11
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Don’t pilots walk around the plane before take off to check for this stuff?
They don’t climb up and walk the wings.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:10 am to RollTide1987
Great, now everyone on that flight will die in crazy circumstances. Final Destination has ruined me.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:17 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Four missing fasteners? That’s how you FOD out an engine and die in a fiery crash.
Yeah I’d be less concerned about the flight worthiness of the jet and more concerned about where the screws went.
And why four in a row are missing….they couldn’t have just fallen out right? What else might be off about this plane?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:27 am to Dadren
What is this new technology? Need to run to Northern Tooks and pick up a Phillips bolt-driver apparently in case it catches on.
They should have used nylon lock nuts on the underside of the wing, lol.
They should have used nylon lock nuts on the underside of the wing, lol.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:33 am to RollTide1987
Several years ago I was flying to Orlando. Seated over the wing, I glanced out and saw a rectangular opening the size of a cafeteria tray on top of the wing. Hydaulic or fuel plumbing could be seen inside. Somebody hadn't secured an access panel. It had blow off.
I commented about this to an attendant, and in short order the captain joined me. Thanked me and said that he'd report it. The rest of the trip was uneventful.
When seated over the wing I always take a good look.
I commented about this to an attendant, and in short order the captain joined me. Thanked me and said that he'd report it. The rest of the trip was uneventful.
When seated over the wing I always take a good look.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:42 am to POTUS2024
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Translation... Ignore the necessary mathematical and logical consequences of reduced safety and enjoy your flight.
I’m fully aware of the consequences of some DEI-centric hiring practices, but blaming DEI for every single failure on any plane is ridiculous.
Planes crashed due to pilot and mechanical failure well before DEI was ever dreamt up.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:48 am to cubsfan5150
It's all ball bearings nowadays
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:52 am to lsugolfredman
Structural or non-structural fasteners?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:15 am to When in Rome
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I’d be curious to hear from our resident pilots on this one regarding if there are certain allowances for X number of bolts to be missing while retaining integrity of that part of the plane etc. … surely there’s redundancy built into the design.
I've watched enough plane disasters shows on smithsonian channel to know that every part and piece is needed. Watched one where the bolts that were replaced on some part were a different thread spacing, and it eventually led to the plane crashing down.
FAA and air flight now is truly a gamble. This sort of shite should have been spotted by the pilot and maintenance crews before and after every flight.
Not to mention the diversity requirements that ensure the least qualified will be putting several tons of metal in the sky.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:16 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:27 am to BugAC
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FAA and air flight now is truly a gamble
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Not to mention the diversity requirements that ensure the least qualified will be putting several tons of metal in the sky.
I’m all for the meritocracy, but the rush to blame every incident on DEI is just as cringeworthy as DEI itself. And we aren’t even sure that this is a newsworthy incident.
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I've watched enough plane disasters shows on smithsonian channel to know that every part and piece is needed
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:34 am to When in Rome
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Do you think it’s amazing, or do you think that because of the Alaska Air incident everyone is more aware of their surroundings on an airplane and looking for any missing bolt they can find for the first time in their lives?
I ringed the flight attendant on a flight once when we were just about up for takeoff and the flaps weren't extended. She came over and said "it's ok, nervous flyer?" and I wanted to be all "no, bitch, we need those things extended".
I think/know there's an alarm that would go off if the flaps weren't extended when we started takeoff, but I didn't want to risk my life on it.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:35 am to BugAC
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I've watched enough plane disasters shows on smithsonian channel to know that every part and piece is needed.
You probably should have left that part out. Maybe the whole post for that matter.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:46 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:36 am to RollTide1987
Did they see something on the wing fricking with the bolts?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:39 am to LarryCLE
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They don’t climb up and walk the wings.
I get that, but I thought someone would look out the windows over the wings before pax board.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:49 am to WG_Dawg
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I like how in the already enormous zoomed in photo with 4 black holes as the focal point of the shot, they still felt the need to zoom in again and isolate in a yellow circle just in case someone out there was STILL just not getting it.
At first I was like, woah those are the biggest screws I've seen, then when it was zoomed out I was like oh...
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:50 am to Traveler
quote:unless it was a troll in which case nice work
You probably should have left that part out. Maybe the whole post for that matter.
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