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re: Good news! We have an ALPHA!
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:21 am to shel311
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:21 am to shel311
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One of the best and the most verstile defender of this generation who is extremely smart on offense isn't an MLE guy.
What are we doing right now?
His career would have been very different if he wasn't drafted by the Warriors. I don't know if I would go so far as to say he wouldn't be an MLE level player, but he wouldn't have been a max level player, or had the individual accolades that he has.
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:26 am to shel311
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One of the best and the most verstile defender of this generation who is extremely smart on offense isn't an MLE guy.
Oh you think Draymond is an DPOY winner if he was drafted by Charlotte?
He stood out b/c he played with two all time great shooters. His defense consists of bullying people and the refs, which he gets away with in GSW. He does that shite in Charlotte and there are more fights and a lot less people having his back b/c he isn't deemed important enough get away with the antics he's always played with and made him a better player.
I do think Draymond is a skilled distributor of the basketball on fast breaks and is great at pushing the pace on rebounds, but he's worthless in the half court.
and i do think he's a great defender.
but he was gifted a golden egg when he got drafted by the Warriors.
He gets drafted by any other team and he's just an upgraded PJ Tucker bouncing around the league b/c no one wants to put up with his shite.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:54 am to Buzz Lightbeer
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…are you trying to say Herb has nice tits?
I guess I'm trying to say that Herb is one of those guys who was late in his development...as far as being an offensive basketball player is concerned. I think he chose to concentrate on the defensive aspects of basketball...instead of the norm for nearly all gifted athletes, which is just concentrating on the offensive game.
He's been somewhere around 4 years behind for quite a while...offensively. He is just now...in a position where he can start to put a heavy emphasis on his offensive development. This is why I often say that I have NO idea what Herb's offensive "ceiling" is...we'll know in a coupla more years. He's already made a huge leap this year...and I'm quite optimistic he's only gonna get better.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:23 am to Dinky Mulberry
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Remember that girl back in Jr High...maybe the 8th grade or so...that was just "different" from all the other girls. Seemed like she was "14...goin' on 18".
Well...in basketball years...for reasons I'm not totally sure of...when Herb arrived in NO, he was "22...goin' on 18". But he's starting to catch up...
It's nothing against NO...because I can assure you...when he arrived at Tuscaloosa, he was "18...goin' on 14"...in basketball years. You see those kind every once in a while and sometimes you end up with MUCH more than you ever thought you had...when the smoke clears.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:05 pm to VanillaExpress
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Was at the season ticket holder event today and Joel Meyers was interviewing Griff and Willie. In the interview, Griff said the alpha of the team is Herb.
First Griff confessed we do not have an Alpha on the team currently.
Then he said they would rather develop an Alpha from the core they have now than bring one in as a free agent.
Griff said that player is Herb. He naturally works hard and gets upset when other players are slacking, but confessed he is more of a quiet introvert and doesn't vocalize his thoughts naturally. He noted the other players respect him and will listen to him - which is the Alpha quality.
Therefore, they are working with Herb to express vocally outside himself, and working to build him into a leader who will push other players.
Griff again said that is not his natural state, but they are optimistic he will grow into the Alpha the team needs.
Griff spoke in terms of us still being young, that is is a process, and that this core is still developing.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:09 pm to WaltWhite504
Appreciate the clarification here. It seems like from this Griff wants the alpha to be Herb but hes not there yet. Personally, I would want my stars to be the alpha.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:20 pm to WaltWhite504
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First Griff confessed we do not have an Alpha on the team currently.
Then he said they would rather develop an Alpha from the core they have now than bring one in as a free agent.
Griff said that player is Herb. He naturally works hard and gets upset when other players are slacking, but confessed he is more of a quiet introvert and doesn't vocalize his thoughts naturally. He noted the other players respect him and will listen to him - which is the Alpha quality.
Therefore, they are working with Herb to express vocally outside himself, and working to build him into a leader who will push other players.
Griff again said that is not his natural state, but they are optimistic he will grow into the Alpha the team needs.
Griff spoke in terms of us still being young, that is is a process, and that this core is still developing.
that short bald headhead fat arse doesn't know the first thing about being an alpha on a sports team, and he shouldn't be talking about this to anyone.
You don't develop someone into an Alpha. They either are or they aren't. There are guys that maybe become that more vocal leader after a few years of gaining the trust and experience they felt they needed to stand up as the vocal leader, assuming there was another leader on the team at that time when they first got to the team, but there's no molding someone into a leader.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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short bald headhead fat arse doesn't know the first thing about being an alpha on a sports team, and he shouldn't be talking about this to anyone.
You don't develop someone into an Alpha. They either are or they aren't. There are guys that maybe become that more vocal leader after a few years of gaining the trust and experience they felt they needed to stand up as the vocal leader, assuming there was another leader on the team at that time when they first got to the team, but there's no molding someone into a leader.
Mf facts. Zion has it in spurts. Never consistent though and only on the court.
Wish MJ would talk to him more about what it takes
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:36 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Personally, I would want my stars to be the alpha.
Always best if your star player is also your alpha. But sometimes...you just have to look elsewhere for alphas. Doubt either of our star players will ever become alphas...or anywhere close, for that matter.
Plenty of examples of star players also being alphas. But sometimes the alpha might be someone else. For example...
Draymond Green for sure, Marcus Smart imo...and soon to be...Herb Jones. (Sorry...but I can't help myself)
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:40 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Draymond Green for sure, Marcus Smart imo...and soon to be...Herb Jones. (Sorry...but I can't help myself)
I get what you’re saying. But to me guys like Steph and Tatum also showed alpha qualities despite having Draymond and Smart there. I can’t currently say that about Zion or BI.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I get what you’re saying. But to me guys like Steph and Tatum also showed alpha qualities despite having Draymond and Smart there
JMO...Tatum has a bit too much "lazy" in his game...to command the respect a true alpha gets when he speaks. I'd be willing to bet that...with Smart gone...the Celtics now consider Al Horford to be their alpha...if he wasn't already, even when Smart was still there.
On a side note: I can't imagine any of our players respecting "advice" from Zion (especially) and EVEN BI...on how they should play the game. To "talk the talk"...you gotta "walk the walk"...and neither of those 2 guys play the game in a way that commands respect from their teammates. JMO...I COULD be wrong.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Mf facts. Zion has it in spurts. Never consistent though and only on the court.
Wish MJ would talk to him more about what it takes
I know people are tired of hearing about maturing and being patient, but Zion's injuries have kept him from actually failing. He's just gotten a bunch of incompletes. So he hasn't seen "I really need to work on my handle and game this summer", because in most of the games he's played his natural ability has been good enough. Being able to run through 75% of the teams in the league in the regular season doesn't matter if you can't get past the contenders in the playoffs. He's got to see it for himself. Hopefully he sees it this year and comes back actually having improved something next year.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:22 pm to TigerinATL
My retort to this is what makes you think he will ?
Has he not yet seen he has to get in better shape ? Has he not noticed his defense needs to be better ? Has he not noticed a 10-15 foot jumper would make his life so much easier , protect him from injury and help the team ?
I hope he pulls it together bc odds are he will be here for a while but I do not understand the excuses for him that permeate this board .
Has he not yet seen he has to get in better shape ? Has he not noticed his defense needs to be better ? Has he not noticed a 10-15 foot jumper would make his life so much easier , protect him from injury and help the team ?
I hope he pulls it together bc odds are he will be here for a while but I do not understand the excuses for him that permeate this board .
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:26 pm to shel311
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Herb isn't close to peak Draymond.
Draymond did nothing on offense and has proven to be shite on offense. I don’t debate he is a good defender. He is just a one way player and has gotten away with more because he is on the Warriors. He is beyond overrated.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:28 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Since green got to GSW they are .500 in games he didn’t play. In the lineup - 67% wins Steph win% without Green - 58% Steph win% with Green - 72% Steph is not Steph without Green.
This is stupid logic. The team is constructed a certain way. If someone is missing it should have an impact. He is good at what he does; however, he is not flexible to cover other skill sets. He ultimately is not as valuable for that reason.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:39 pm to AboveTheRim
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My retort to this is what makes you think he will ?
We don't know that we will, but we also don't have any other options but to hope he gets it.
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I do not understand the excuses for him that permeate this board .
It's not an excuse. Zion is 100% the one failing the team here. But at the same time, he has not gotten the kind of basketball feedback a healthy Zion would have gotten the last 4 years. You can have vets like CJ tell him how it is all we want, but a lot of times people don't understand reality until they get slapped in the face by it. That is where the hope for new/different behavior comes from. If he stays healthy then he will be reacting to different data which hopefully leads to different behavior.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:51 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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On a side note: I can't imagine any of our players respecting "advice" from Zion (especially) and EVEN BI...on how they should play the game. To "talk the talk"...you gotta "walk the walk"...and neither of those 2 guys play the game in a way that commands respect from their teammates. JMO...I COULD be wrong.
I completely agree that you have to earn that respect, but no one works harder than BI on his game, and all of his teammates know that.
And i distinctly remember BI diving for a loose ball a few games after the IST debacle. That's the kind of stuff a true leader does to show to the other role players that i don't mind doing the dirty stuff too and i'm here to win at all costs. His defense was shite to start the season and it has improved just from an effort standpoint, and you're seeing BI actually block shots and challange at the rim. He had 13 blocked shots in the 12 games right after the IST debacle, which i'd bet is the most in any 12 game stretch of his career by a good margin. He's got 5 blocks in his other 27 games played this year.
The teams assists rate is higher with him on the court than off this year, for the first time in his career, but all we hear on here is how he's a ball stopper.
our defensive rebouding % has been better with him off the court the last 4 years, usually by a small 2% margin. This year we are 7% points higher when he's on the court vs off for our rebounding %.
Y'all wondering why BI is deemed the leader of this team and not Zion. That's why.
And Zion should be the leader, b/c BI can't be the best player on a team and it be a contender, but Zion has done nothing on or off the court to show he wants to be a leader, or to have the respect of his teammates as the leader. BI has.
and that's not me saying I want BI to be the leader of this team, that's just the fact of the matter right now.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:54 pm to AboveTheRim
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Has he not noticed his defense needs to be better ?
his on ball defense lately has actually been pretty impressive, and that's regardless of who he's guarding.
It is amazing how good he can be when he wants to be, which is why we are all so frustrated with him b/c he can be the best player in the league, if he simply wanted to.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You don't develop someone into an Alpha. They either are or they aren't. There are guys that maybe become that more vocal leader after a few years of gaining the trust and experience they felt they needed to stand up as the vocal leader, assuming there was another leader on the team at that time when they first got to the team, but there's no molding someone into a leader.
I mean, that's just not true. Leadership is absolutely something that can be taught. Now, it's not an easy skill, but it can absolutely been molded. As a business owner, I have had several employees who started with me as shy people who couldn't possibly say anything to anyone who ended up becoming exceptional leaders a couple of years later.
Posted on 1/22/24 at 3:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
I don't disagree you can help someone become a better leader.
your shy employees were probably just shy to you, as many people are when they start a new job, or get drafted into the NBA. But if they were able to become a leader at your company, they probably had some experience in being a leader before that and showed signs they were capable of leading. SOmething as simple as always being the person to take charge of the team project in college, or simply being the leader of their group of friends.
Leaders are typically always leaders. Just b/c they are respectful in new settings and a bit quieter and laid back at first before becoming more of a leader as time passes doesn't mean they were molded into leadership. They were simply being respectful and earning respect from everyone.
your shy employees were probably just shy to you, as many people are when they start a new job, or get drafted into the NBA. But if they were able to become a leader at your company, they probably had some experience in being a leader before that and showed signs they were capable of leading. SOmething as simple as always being the person to take charge of the team project in college, or simply being the leader of their group of friends.
Leaders are typically always leaders. Just b/c they are respectful in new settings and a bit quieter and laid back at first before becoming more of a leader as time passes doesn't mean they were molded into leadership. They were simply being respectful and earning respect from everyone.
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