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re: CBK told us all his plans. “Building this program from freshman.”

Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:20 pm to
Posted by BillF
Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2006
5073 posts
Posted on 12/29/23 at 7:20 pm to
One player is a "freshman" but multiple players are "freshmen"

That somehow seems to be incredibly difficult to grasp for a lot of posters
Posted by UnluckyTiger
Member since Sep 2003
35947 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:44 am to
Good things coming Monday
Posted by tigermed2
Houma
Member since Dec 2012
1421 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:46 am to
He has spoken
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1795 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 12:08 pm to
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Now the jury is out as to whether which approach leads to the most success.


The jury absolutely is not out on this question. Look at the teams that have won national championships during the portal era - not one of them was built with the primary recruiting focus being on the portal; they all built through regular HS recruiting and then used the portal for “finishing touch” type moves.


It’s no coincidence that none of the main contenders during the portal era are taking double-digit transfers. 2023 FSU is the first and only true contender that was built primarily through the portal, and even at full strength I’d take UGA over them all day. 2022 TCU was built with a portal-heavy approach, but they weren’t a legitimate contender. Same goes for 2021(?) Michigan state. Elite teams, national championship winners, are still built through HS recruiting - and that’s not going to change this year, either.


Now, this isn’t to say it’s IMPOSSIBLE to build a natty champ roster thru the portal—it very well might happen at some point—but we have no-questions-asked proof of concept that it’s possible to build a championship roster through HS recruiting.
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2509 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

They are only going after a few select players. They are not reaching, and they are not spending money they don't have for a one year payoff. They are spending money on retention. That's why we don't have starters leaving like everybody else. They also need to checkbook for the 2025 class that could be star studded.


We have a very expensive H.S. class coming in next year, and are having to spend on retention of starters this offseason. We do not have unlimited funds, no one does, but if done correctly with measures included in the NIL deals we sign these high school kids to, then this is absolutely the way to build a championship roster. Just ask Bama or UGA (who should be in the playoff btw).

For all of you who say that LSU is broke and our collective is in disarray, I wonder if you are aware of how expensive the #1 QB, WR and RB are gonna be, combined. That doesnt even account for the other 22 or 23 or so other recruits we will be bringing in.

No one brings in a class like the one we are about to without spending in the millions.

We are also tight on the 85 man roster, which doesn't leave much room for transfers coming in.

This is all actually going to the plan Kelly has laid out, and spoken at length about.

Sure, the defensive struggles last year are worrisome, but I think I can definitively say that next years defense will be greatly improved, and be counted on as an asset as opposed to a liability.

Kelly has shown his floor here at LSU to be 10 wins, so conversely his ceiling has got to be perennial championship contender, and after year 3, that's exactly what we will be.

Regardless of what actually happens, this will be a great thread to bookmark and bump in a year or 2.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1795 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:08 pm to
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they need to fix the defense this year.



He’s trying to fix the defense for the long-term. If you blow a big chunk of your nil wad on defense in the portal, you’re right back in this same position a year from now—and there’s no guarantee it will have worked out anyway (see, eg, lsus most recent portal class, Michigan states attempted follow-up to their first big portal class, etc). I’d much rather BK allocate our recruiting resources to long-term, sustainable roster-building.
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2320 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:46 pm to
Building through recruiting is becoming harder and harder, over 2000 players in the portal.
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8311 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:13 pm to
It just feels like this is a program in disarray. OC leaves, DC was arse, we go all season without a FT dline coach and still don’t have one, need a new OC and really a DC, our DB coach had never coached at this level before, meantime recruiting is not great on the defensive side and we have a back 7 that doesn’t seem to be at the talent level we normally have. A program that has always had a reputation for defense no longer does. Kelly looks like he has turned this into a Big 12 program of all offense no defense. That may be over reaction but that's what it seems.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16036 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:18 pm to
we dont recruit classes on the level of Bama , Georgia , and Ohio St. Of course they don't have to build through the portal. We are not in a position to blow off the portal. We need to get some big time players at certain defense positions out of the portal for this coming season and continue that every season unless or until we can pull in elite top 3 recruiting classes consistantly the way the top tier teams do.
Posted by TigerFanFromBama
Montgomery AL
Member since Mar 2015
3894 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 7:02 am to
quote:

Georgia won the natty last year and didn’t take a single transfer.


You can do that when you're signing 4 consecutive Top 3 classes, three or four 5-stars in each class, and bringing in elite guys that are immediately in your 2-deep.

This aint that...
Posted by Lark225
Member since Mar 2019
1149 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 7:45 am to
Bruh...everybody on this site has been overly critical and his handling of the program and its current state including myself. And what has cbk done? Proven that he is the right man for the job. He isn't nick saban lol. He isn't going to get the best class every year but I'll be damn if the man isn't trying. He got it right with his offensive staff and got it wrong with his defensive staff. He knows this and will get better defensive coaches.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28149 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:51 am to
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Either this plan works or we become like Dabo at Clemson.


Who won the Heisman this year?
Posted by beachtiger777
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
627 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 10:55 am to
Recruiting LOUISIANA talent....
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27321 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:54 am to
quote:

blow a big chunk of your nil wad on defense in the portal, you’re right back in this same position a year from now—and there’s no guarantee it will have worked out anyway (see, eg, lsus most recent portal class, Michigan states attempted follow-up to their first big portal class, etc). I’d much rather BK allocate our recruiting resources to long-term, sustainable roster-building.



I'm not saying blow your wad in the portal. I'm saying bring in a few guys.

You didn't quote the first part where I said I agree with his approach of building through high school.

I just don't think lsu can afford to fall further behind on defense.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 11:55 am
Posted by logansrun
Amite
Member since Dec 2015
1820 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:08 pm to
I don't think BK is finished in the portal. He isn't throwing money at malcontents like Harris and Chestnut but if the right fit comes along he'll make an offer. The '25 class is going to be expensive if they really want to get these top tier players.
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4947 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 5:21 pm to
This is the smart way to go. You have to avoid the mercenaries who are there for the money. Hopefully, the universities get together to regulate NIL.
Posted by tigermed2
Houma
Member since Dec 2012
1421 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:20 pm to
Good things coming Monday

Unlucky tiger with the call
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26939 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:26 pm to
quote:

It just feels like this is a program in disarray


It’s the opposite if you’re paying attention.

Locked down in-state recruiting, relatively few outgoing transfers with no key players yet, no signing day drama, only 1 or 2 bowl opt outs.

All signs of stability.
Posted by xGeauxLSUx
United States of Atrophy
Member since Oct 2008
21025 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:29 pm to
quote:

It just feels like this is a program in disarray.

The #1 player in Louisiana says you don't know what you're talking about and just committed to LSU.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23473 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:55 pm to
quote:

I'm not saying blow your wad in the portal. I'm saying bring in a few guys. You didn't quote the first part where I said I agree with his approach of building through high school. I just don't think lsu can afford to fall further behind on defense.


I think you’ll see the staff close whatever roster spots that remain with portal guys in the second window. We just saw McKinley commit and Bussey is still a possibility. And we still don’t exactly who is leaving and staying yet, but we will by then.
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