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Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:26 am to RaginAstros
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South Bend is also about 80 miles from Homer, Michigan, where Denbrock's roots run deep.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:28 am to tlsu15
Bad coordinators are over rated.. Good coordinators are not.
The difference is a GOOD coordinator can elevate the level of play with his adjustability, scheme, and overall coaching
A BAD coordinator doesn’t know what to do when he doesn’t have top talent to work with. And you get players that look absolutely lost on every play
The difference is a GOOD coordinator can elevate the level of play with his adjustability, scheme, and overall coaching
A BAD coordinator doesn’t know what to do when he doesn’t have top talent to work with. And you get players that look absolutely lost on every play
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:41 am to tlsu15
So Kelly gets the blame for the defense?
In a way you are correct but you have a coach that can bring in top 5 classes consistently and also have a program humming like Kirby and Saban.
In a way you are correct but you have a coach that can bring in top 5 classes consistently and also have a program humming like Kirby and Saban.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:44 am to tlsu15
I recall several threads last year and a few early this year wishing Kelly would show him the door.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:00 am to tlsu15
quote:uh, we had the exact same offensive talent in 2018 that we had in 2019, yet our offense was pedestrian in '18 under Ensminger.
If you have the right HC and systems in place, you can lose your coordinators and continue to attract high level talent to fill those positions.
Brady unleashed it all in 2019.
Of course you have to have the player talent, but coordinators matter bigly.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:09 am to wrongRob
quote:That's a good point. We do need better players than we've seen the past few years.
I'm not saying LSU doesn't need a new DC but the talent level on defense is not up to LSU standards at this point.
Hopefully they improve next season but thinking they will be ready to compete by adding a new DC is only setting oneself up to be disappointed.
Take cornerback. People bitch about getting burned; go watch "highlights" of Duce Chestnut earlier this season. He did get an interception, and he was covering Keon Coleman (the Fla State guy). He was on him, but it wasn't "blanketing" him... more like a bath towel around his waist instead of a blanket
. He literally, physically could not do better. He understood the defense, but could not compete at this level.
Now take Toviano- he didn't replace Chestnut early, eventually (end of year) he did get on the field. He still made mistakes, but he also made plays.
He's just beginning to grasp the defense, but he can play at this level.
The problem for House was that he HAD to go with Chestnut, because nobody else was close.
Now, I can't tell you why he didn't dumb it down further... maybe he did, and that's why lots of teams moved at will. But seeing that he's got NFL history, maybe his schemes demand a good bit of understanding, AND a good bit of raw physical talent (like you'd see in the NFL, - and like you'd expect to see at a school like LSU once you have your recruits in place a couple seasons).
This year COULD have been the transitional period we all hear about, before Toviano etc are ready for next year.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:12 am to tlsu15
Are you kidding, do you think Orgeron’s 2019 team would have been as good without the OC and passing game day coach
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:20 am to tlsu15
Let’s not rationalize. This is a setback, which LSU will just have to deal with
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:35 am to tlsu15
That’s a very bad take. Player ability is the main factor in a good offense but the play caller is responsible for putting those players in optimal situations
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:43 am to tlsu15
Are you a new fan, or just a short sighted one?
We went nearly a decade living or dying on the “get the best coordinators we can approach”
When we did, we contended. And when we didn’t, we belly flopped.
You really think the “systems” changes that much?
We went nearly a decade living or dying on the “get the best coordinators we can approach”
When we did, we contended. And when we didn’t, we belly flopped.
You really think the “systems” changes that much?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but when a team isn’t good, there are multiple reasons
I said defense. The offense was numero uno in all the nation. In fact the disparity between our offense and defense alone should highlight that coordinators matter. There is a spectrum. The team wasn’t bad. The defense was atrocious. “Team” insinuates that all three phases were a failure and that would be quite misleading don’t you think? Talent is not the only reason that a defense plays as poorly as ours did. Not one person is saying we should have the top D in the SEC. Middle of the pack may have put us in the playoffs for fricks sake.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:05 pm to tlsu15
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That’s literally what I said
It is not what you said.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:08 pm to tlsu15
Neither Saban or Kirby have ever hired Matt House to be their DC either. A coordinator is certainly helped by talent and position coaches, but can’t be a complete incompetent like House.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:16 pm to tlsu15
Dude Saban and Kirby Rarely make Bad hires , that’s why they have continued Success
OC and DC hires certainly do matter … Coaching , Recruiting , Scheming and Player Relations
OC and DC hires certainly do matter … Coaching , Recruiting , Scheming and Player Relations
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:21 pm to ExpoTiger
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It’s ok to say Denbrock did well AND that we will be good without him
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Denbrock was a good coach. I believe he’ll be replaced by another good coach.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:23 pm to Rand AlThor
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I could probably find literally thousands of takes like that from you in your hundreds of thousands of posts, but I'm not gonna spend my entire life poking through post histories like you
dumbass shoeshine boy lester thinks that is a gotcha when it is accurate. the facts still stand. last year JD shoulda been rotated with nuss some or rode the pine some. we pointed out those bad games, all the sacks holding ball too long, the not throwing downfield, YPA, etc. he was NOTHING last year like he was this year. thankfully he got it all fixed this year which was great.
kudos to SLOAN AND DENBROCK
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:25 pm to tlsu15
You must not be a Saints fan
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:38 pm to AndyJ
Coordinators can suck but even a good coordinator isn’t fixing Carr and Dennis Allen.
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