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re: Zack Snyder’s 'Rebel Moon' Now playing on Netflix
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:33 pm to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:33 pm to scottydoesntknow
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but this movie needed a male lead
My problem is I have no idea about that. I watched over 2 hours of film and she is almost as much of an enigma as she was in the first scene plowing. I know she is the Scargiver but beyond that her character development was flatter than Taylor Swift's chest. Dune wasn't much longer and developed the world and characters far better setting aside the fact it was known IP. By the end of A Child of Fire I felt like I had watched the first 30 minutes of a 10 hour mini-series.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:48 pm to Obtuse1
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By the end of A Child of Fire I felt like I had watched the first 30 minutes of a 10 hour mini-series.
Agreed. Not hating but it’s a better book plot that you see a disappointing film adaptation of than a new syfy movie of.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 5:44 am to Scuttle But
quote:The gender of the lead had no effect in this case. I was anticipating this movie, perhaps against my better judgment.
The lead should've been a male
Hollywood's storytelling is lacking, especially when not based on a successful book, and even adaptations can fall short. Rebel Moon falls flat due to a weak storyline—no need to delve further into the critique.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 6:57 am to Obtuse1
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My problem is I have no idea about that. I watched over 2 hours of film and she is almost as much of an enigma as she was in the first scene plowing. I know she is the Scargiver but beyond that her character development was flatter than Taylor Swift's chest. Dune wasn't much longer and developed the world and characters far better setting aside the fact it was known IP. By the end of A Child of Fire I felt like I had watched the first 30 minutes of a 10 hour mini-series.
The casting doesnt help. Even in a world with space Nazis, spider people, hippogriffs...a twig armed girl easily defeating multiple men in hand to hand combat at once is totally immersion breaking.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 7:03 am to cssamerican
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quote:The lead should've been a male The gender of the lead had no effect in this case. I was anticipating this movie, perhaps against my better judgment.
Just stopped here. These things affect the story. How many more years of movies do we have to have this boss babe trope weighing down action movies?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 7:32 am to scottydoesntknow
quote:It doesn't alter the narrative, only the credibility of the character. The story would have remained identical if the lead had been male, given that the character was written to be indistinguishable from a male character. Nonetheless, it would still be lacking, as the storyline itself falls short.
Just stopped here. These things affect the story. How many more years of movies do we have to have this boss babe trope weighing down action movies?
Regarding your second point, it ain’t going away, I just wish when featuring female action leads, it would be preferable not to treat them the same as male leads. Allow them to leverage their femininity for an advantage. For instance, in scenarios like a sniper situation, using the perception that the assailant is male facilitating an escape, or employing attraction to approach a male target with cunning. In physical combat, consider matchups like female vs female or a trained female against an untrained, out-of-shape male.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:50 am to RLDSC FAN
With all respect, it doesn’t sound like something I’d be interested in, at all.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:13 am to VOR
I liked that both Darios were in it
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:24 am to putt23
I know not about Darios… sorry.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:59 am to cssamerican
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quote:Just stopped here. These things affect the story. How many more years of movies do we have to have this boss babe trope weighing down action movies? It doesn't alter the narrative, only the credibility of the character. The story would have remained identical if the lead had been male, given that the character was written to be indistinguishable from a male character. Nonetheless, it would still be lacking, as the storyline itself falls short.
I mean I agree with you that the story is lacking but a male lead changes the story much more. For instance, the decision for big baddie to choose this girl as his protege needs more backstory. It would only make sense maybe if baddie had lost his real daughter and was desperate to fill that hole in his life. A male character, he just needed to see a boy that looked hard and tough.
Why would someone choose spend years making a girl the ultimate traditional soldier when choosing a boy would give you a soldier with 5-10x more capability in war? These are the types of questions my brain is subconsciously asking that take me out of the story. Deliberate tropes also take me out. Black general is a "genius," resistance is mostly female, bad guy is just evil and does evil things even when it makes no sense and hurts his cause. People are literally starved for something that is 1)creative and 2) is just in the ballpark of logical
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:04 pm to VOR
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know not about Darios… sorry.
The original Dario and 2nd Dario from game of thrones
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:07 pm to cssamerican
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Regarding your second point, it ain’t going away, I just wish when featuring female action leads, it would be preferable not to treat them the same as male leads. Allow them to leverage their femininity for an advantage. For instance, in scenarios like a sniper situation, using the perception that the assailant is male facilitating an escape, or employing attraction to approach a male target with cunning. In physical combat, consider matchups like female vs female or a trained female against an untrained, out-of-shape male.
You made my point here. The story was written for a male lead. These writers are not total blockheads...they know what they are doing. In *current year* the social message will always supersede the story. The message is that "girl can physically do all the things a man can do". That literally was the reason the movie was made. Id bet a pretty penny that if Snyder could have made the movie exactly how he wanted to with no social pressure or concessions to Netflix, hes have had a male lead.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:09 pm to scottydoesntknow
Just finished watching it, so the main bad guy was having relations with that octopus looking thing, right?
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:12 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
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Just finished watching it, so the main bad guy was having relations with that octopus looking thing, right?
Never explained. Maybe it got him high, maybe it made him stronger, maybe it got him off...I doubt it will be explained even in Part 2
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:37 pm to scottydoesntknow
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a twig armed girl easily defeating multiple men in hand to hand combat at once is totally immersion breaking.
For me that is a maybe or maybe not. Her character has been developed enough for me to decide if she is a Mary Sue or not. It is syfy so while she looks like a human analog and like the farmers in the community she came from for all I know she has been augmented or she could be a completely different species. She is definitely different because she is the Scargiver whether her back story supports her abilities is unknown at this point.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:11 pm to Esquire
I really like some of Snyder's films like MOS and Watchmen. And even the mediocre ones have been entertaining schlock for me. But this is a very bad film. Horrible character development and dialogue, but worst of all is how bored I was. A completely forgettable film. One of Snyder's worst.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Horrible character development and dialogue
Felt like I was watching my kid play an RPG video game.
The movie was a series of short 5 minute, self contained side quests. Go to planet, perform task, receive your new party member. Repeat 3 or 4 times until you have your party.
None of the scenes breathed, just a bunch of "I'm putting a team together, you in? frick yeah I'm in" scenes.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 5:24 pm to cssamerican
quote:I wouldn't be so sure. This approach has led to historic financial failures all over Hollywood. They can't just keep that up forever. I'm not saying that all women characters will become damsels in distress again, but the girl boss thing is poison and won't last.
Regarding your second point, it ain’t going away
The reviews are about what I expected for a story originally written by Kathleen Kennedy and fleshed out by Snyder, who has definitely lost whatever it is he ever had.
Keep burning your money, clowns.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 5:30 pm to blueboy
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The reviews are about what I expected for a story originally written by Kathleen Kennedy
What??
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