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re: "Masters of the Air" | WWII Miniseries | Apple+ Trailer
Posted on 3/3/24 at 2:44 pm to GoGators1995
Posted on 3/3/24 at 2:44 pm to GoGators1995
Really enjoying the series as it goes. The dialogue with Butler was so cheesy early on I almost quit. It’s like he is stuck in character as Elvis still.
Rosie’s story seems interesting and would love to learn more about the resistance network that helped our soldiers get back.
Rosie’s story seems interesting and would love to learn more about the resistance network that helped our soldiers get back.
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Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:04 pm to GoGators1995
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And roughly 58% of Soviet POWs died vs roughly 1% of British/US POWs at the hands of Nazi Germany.
That’s because Germany thought they would come out on top in certain areas, Vs the people that didn’t mean anything to them. Conquering the world would require help, and the Russians didn’t fit into those plans.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:40 am to sledgehammer
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Also hated how the storyline for the guys who escaped and made it back via the resistance ended
Yes! I forgot to mention that. They could have spent additional time on that and less on the Croz, Oxford, and the mystery chick storyline.
To be fair there are movies and docs on the great escape so I can see why they didn't focus on that
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:46 am to etm512
To be fair to the show, I was very disappointed with the first 4 episodes. I thought he was awful writing based on the dialogue
However, these last few episodes were great, and then Austin Butler got back on screen and jt was awful again. So, I blame his acting. He is awful.
However, these last few episodes were great, and then Austin Butler got back on screen and jt was awful again. So, I blame his acting. He is awful.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:44 am to AlaTiger
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This show is incredible. I read some criticizing it to begin with, but I’m really liking it. That is all.
It got off to a bit of a rocky start but it’s settled in nicely.
My main criticism is the CGI could be a lot better
Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:00 am to gizmothepug
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That’s because Germany thought they would come out on top in certain areas, Vs the people that didn’t mean anything to them. Conquering the world would require help, and the Russians didn’t fit into those plans.
There are stories of German soldiers right after their surrender saying they planned to team up with the Americans and go defeat the Russians.
Patton wanted to do this, too, so they killed him.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:10 am to Jack Ruby
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There are stories of German soldiers right after their surrender saying they planned to team up with the Americans and go defeat the Russians.
Yea but that wasn’t really a realistic option.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:17 am to OldmanBeasley
quote:Yeah, I heard Arizona's Zac Gallen asked to be traded to the Rangers in the last game of the World Series.
There are stories of German soldiers right after their surrender saying they planned to team up with the Americans and go defeat the Russians.quote:
Yea but that wasn’t really a realistic option.
"Yay! WE won!"
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:39 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Not sure if I’ve ever watched a penultimate episode of a series where so little happened and the story advanced so little
Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:53 pm to etm512
I was 2.5 episodes behind and caught up last weekend. The show picked up for me with the POW camp stuff and seeing Buck was still alive. I’ll check out the new episode tonight or this weekend but the show for better for me recently. I think just because the monotonous and repetitiveness seemed to die a little.
It’s still a little underwhelming for me overall, but I’m enjoying it more than I was at least. (And I do enjoy it)
It’s still a little underwhelming for me overall, but I’m enjoying it more than I was at least. (And I do enjoy it)
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/8/24 at 2:20 pm to blowmeauburn
similar to d day these bombing missions were pretty much suicide runs and you were likely better off becoming a prisoner after parachuting out
could dday have been avoided by just continuing to bomb france until it was easier for a ground invasion?
how pitiful was the British military that they couldn't have driven Germany out of France? on top of that the US was fighting on the Japan front as well
could dday have been avoided by just continuing to bomb france until it was easier for a ground invasion?
how pitiful was the British military that they couldn't have driven Germany out of France? on top of that the US was fighting on the Japan front as well
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:40 pm to nicholastiger
I appreciate and respect the hell out of the Tuskegee airman. That said, they did them an injustice just to drop them in on the 8th episode.
I get it, they got put in the same camp as Buck and Bucky, but start showing them earlier to give a little more background. I don’t know these guys and we’re at the end.
Bad call to throw them in here at the end, feels like diversity for diversity’s sake. I’d love to know these guys but I don’t and it’s very late to add them.
I get it, they got put in the same camp as Buck and Bucky, but start showing them earlier to give a little more background. I don’t know these guys and we’re at the end.
Bad call to throw them in here at the end, feels like diversity for diversity’s sake. I’d love to know these guys but I don’t and it’s very late to add them.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:46 pm to Frac the world
To add, my dad had a hero his dad’s age who was the top gunner in a B-17. Got shot down and was in Stalag Luft IV. When the Russians advanced, the Germans forced them on an 86 mile walk with little food, no coats, no shoes and no medical help.
Men dropped out with dysentery and all sorts of diseases, if you dropped back the Germans shot you. The prisoners had to pull the wagon, due to lack of cars and horses, full of wounded themselves. They zig zagged for 3 months until reaching a point where the British and Americans found them and the remaining Germans surrendered.
My dad’s hero never talked about it when he got back, but my dad was a pall bearer at his funeral.
End of the war these airman that were pows went through absolute hell once the Germans knew they were beat.
I obviously never met him, but he started to make some damn good homemade knives when he made it back home. I’ve got one he made and I treasure it.
Men dropped out with dysentery and all sorts of diseases, if you dropped back the Germans shot you. The prisoners had to pull the wagon, due to lack of cars and horses, full of wounded themselves. They zig zagged for 3 months until reaching a point where the British and Americans found them and the remaining Germans surrendered.
My dad’s hero never talked about it when he got back, but my dad was a pall bearer at his funeral.
End of the war these airman that were pows went through absolute hell once the Germans knew they were beat.
I obviously never met him, but he started to make some damn good homemade knives when he made it back home. I’ve got one he made and I treasure it.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:40 pm to Frac the world
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I appreciate and respect the hell out of the Tuskegee airman. That said, they did them an injustice just to drop them in on the 8th episode.
I get it, they got put in the same camp as Buck and Bucky, but start showing them earlier to give a little more background. I don’t know these guys and we’re at the end.
I haven't seen the latest episode, but the entire premise of the book was that the failure of the bomber leadership to advocate for long range escorts led to the death of tens of thousands of bomber crewmen and likely prolonged the war.
The Tuskegee airmen, while only a fraction of the fighter crews involved in escort duty, could be said to represent the impact the introduction of the P51 Mustang with drop tanks had on the bomber war. It was a complete gamechanger and all the interviews and post war analysis identify that as the point at which the Luftwaffe was well and truly doomed.
Posted on 3/9/24 at 1:09 am to tide06
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I haven't seen the latest episode, but the entire premise of the book was that the failure of the bomber leadership to advocate for long range escorts led to the death of tens of thousands of bomber crewmen and likely prolonged the war.
They didn't have fighters that could escort them all the way until the P51D, with drop tanks, became available iirc.
Posted on 3/9/24 at 4:12 am to nicholastiger
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similar to d day these bombing missions were pretty much suicide runs and you were likely better off becoming a prisoner after parachuting out could dday have been avoided by just continuing to bomb france until it was easier for a ground invasion? how pitiful was the British military that they couldn't have driven Germany out of France? on top of that the US was fighting on the Japan front as well
DDay went better than expected! By that point of the war, the Allies were well coordinated with their offensives and timing was everything. On the Eastern front, June is war season as the ground is solid again after the spring thaws. The US and UK couldn’t wait much longer to open up the Western front. Stalin had been pushing for a year to open up a second front.
You’re a dope if you think the British military is pitiful. They were primarily a sea power back then. If anything, they punched above their weight in WW2 as they had nowhere near the scale of German ground forces. Military strength is a function of population, natural resources, and industrial capacity. The Germans had them beat in population and industrial capacity.
Posted on 3/9/24 at 8:14 am to BuckyCheese
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They didn't have fighters that could escort them all the way until the P51D, with drop tanks, became available iirc.
Agreed but the evolution from Thunderbolts with very limited range to Lightning’s with moderate range to P51s to P51s with drop tanks meant an ever expanding ring of concentric circles within which they could hammer targets with near impunity.
So they went from being able to “safely” bomb only coastal France, to being able to strike all of France to then laying waste to much of Germany to being able to target the coal and oil supply zones in the far Eastern European occupied regions.
Unfortunately the planners still refused to acknowledge the reality of the situation through 1944 and happily traded air crews for strikes on targets that often had little if any tangible military impact right up until the P51D minimized the consequences of their blundering.
This post was edited on 3/9/24 at 8:37 am
Posted on 3/9/24 at 6:40 pm to tide06
After watching ep. 8, I feel like we skipped an episode. Episode 7 ended with the cliffhanger of the B-17s being used as bait, but this one begins with the P-51 men being thrown in out of nowhere and the lead up to dday. There’s next to nothing in this episode about the B-17s.
Is this the end of Crosby and that woman? So all this time spent on them was for nothing?
I still enjoyed this episode, and that stump extractor was pretty bad arse.
Is this the end of Crosby and that woman? So all this time spent on them was for nothing?
I still enjoyed this episode, and that stump extractor was pretty bad arse.
Posted on 3/9/24 at 9:33 pm to BradBallard
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You’re a dope if you think the British military is pitiful. They were primarily a sea power back then. If anything, they punched above their weight in WW2 as they had nowhere near the scale of German ground forces. Military strength is a function of population, natural resources, and industrial capacity. The Germans had them beat in population and industrial capacity.
Apparently he's also unaware the British also fought in the Pacific.
Posted on 3/10/24 at 7:02 am to sledgehammer
This series has the same fault that The Pacific did in that there is just too much to show for a 9-10 episode series. The timeline is too long, the characters too geographically spread out, attrition adding to the number of characters, and Hollywood's need for personal drama lines makes it too coarse.
Easy Company was, well, easy. Condense training to one episode, have 8 episodes of following one group through one year of war where they're all in the same locations together, and then a wrap-up episode. That's perfect from a cohesive miniseries point of view. Even more so because it came from one source book.
MotA and Pacific combine multiple source materials, multiple timelines, and multiple places. It's just too much to ask for 9-10 episodes, especially when budget is brought in to the picture.
I'm still really liking it, though. You just have to take it for what it is.
Easy Company was, well, easy. Condense training to one episode, have 8 episodes of following one group through one year of war where they're all in the same locations together, and then a wrap-up episode. That's perfect from a cohesive miniseries point of view. Even more so because it came from one source book.
MotA and Pacific combine multiple source materials, multiple timelines, and multiple places. It's just too much to ask for 9-10 episodes, especially when budget is brought in to the picture.
I'm still really liking it, though. You just have to take it for what it is.
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