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re: SEC this morning spouting the party line
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:40 am to stephendomalley
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:40 am to stephendomalley
True, but if we had just a halfway decent defense this team is undefeated no matter what the officials do or don’t do.
Having a generationally horrendous defense is on us, not the SEC.
Having a generationally horrendous defense is on us, not the SEC.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:55 am to I-59 Tiger
Lets call Sean Payton to arrange a hit on Turner !
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:02 pm to MOT
So you're saying the ref and the league claim that the penalty was roughing the passer because of this:
But at the same time there was absolutely no reason to call for a booth review and go take a look and see if it was targeting, which is this:
"As we mentioned, if a player initiates forcible contact with the crown of the helmet, it doesn’t matter if the player is defenseless or not.
However, if a player is defenseless, you can’t initiate contact above the shoulders, even if you don’t lead with the crown.
Players are also prohibited from targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.
And when dealing with a defenseless player, there still needs to be at least one indicator of targeting."
So we have a by definition defenseless player, who by the referee's and the leagues own admission was roughed by being hit in the head and neck area, but we decided we didn't need to look at it for targeting???
BTW, here are your 4 Key Indicators of targeting:
"Although these are not all the indicators of targeting, here are four key ones defined by the NCAA rulebook:
Launch — a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet"
So the replay official or whoever decided that there was no need to look at the play was so 100% certain that Turner didn't do any of these indicators in his cursory look that he decided there was no need to stop play for a targeting review???
They were correct to call roughing the passer for contact to the head and neck. It is absolutely unfathomable in 2023 though, as evidenced by both announcers and the rules expert all wondering whether he was about to get tossed for targeting, that the game was not stopped and a full review of the play was completed. I want to see all the plays so far this year that were worse than that where the game was not stopped for a review. Something is fishy!!
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ou can disagree all you want but the head ref announced it as contact to the head and neck, it was called because of that not because it was late.
But at the same time there was absolutely no reason to call for a booth review and go take a look and see if it was targeting, which is this:
"As we mentioned, if a player initiates forcible contact with the crown of the helmet, it doesn’t matter if the player is defenseless or not.
However, if a player is defenseless, you can’t initiate contact above the shoulders, even if you don’t lead with the crown.
Players are also prohibited from targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.
And when dealing with a defenseless player, there still needs to be at least one indicator of targeting."
So we have a by definition defenseless player, who by the referee's and the leagues own admission was roughed by being hit in the head and neck area, but we decided we didn't need to look at it for targeting???
BTW, here are your 4 Key Indicators of targeting:
"Although these are not all the indicators of targeting, here are four key ones defined by the NCAA rulebook:
Launch — a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet"
So the replay official or whoever decided that there was no need to look at the play was so 100% certain that Turner didn't do any of these indicators in his cursory look that he decided there was no need to stop play for a targeting review???
They were correct to call roughing the passer for contact to the head and neck. It is absolutely unfathomable in 2023 though, as evidenced by both announcers and the rules expert all wondering whether he was about to get tossed for targeting, that the game was not stopped and a full review of the play was completed. I want to see all the plays so far this year that were worse than that where the game was not stopped for a review. Something is fishy!!
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:06 pm to Tiger2022
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Danielson would have straight up fainted in the booth on live TV if that would have been Milroe.
You can shite on Danielson all you like, but even he said it was targeting.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:07 pm to vl100butch
frick the SEC. A bunch of cheating bastards.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:11 pm to grizzlylongcut
I listened to 5 podcasts since Saturday
Bruce Feldman
Stuart Mandel
Josh Pate
Andy Staples
Ari Wasserman
All said it was close but they didn’t think it was targeting and they see these plays every week.
It was a toss up IMO.
Bruce Feldman
Stuart Mandel
Josh Pate
Andy Staples
Ari Wasserman
All said it was close but they didn’t think it was targeting and they see these plays every week.
It was a toss up IMO.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:14 pm to dallastiger55
You know what?? That's fine! If they had stopped the game as they should have to do a targeting review, decided it was in fact not targeting and were able to state their reasoning to back up their position, fine!
But the fact that it was a Bama player who is known for playing in the "grey areas" of the rules and they didn't even stop to take a look at it???
Stinks like week old fish
But the fact that it was a Bama player who is known for playing in the "grey areas" of the rules and they didn't even stop to take a look at it???
Stinks like week old fish
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:14 pm to Tiger2022
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Danielson would have straight up fainted in the booth on live TV if that would have been Milroe.
I went to the game so I didn't see hte TV coverage until thismonring
everytime Bama did something good the announcers are super excited
Daniels does all kinds of great stuff, it's kind of silence//
"looked like a bust in the Saban defense"
I didn't buy into the bias talk, but listening to the highlights, it's kind of how it seems anyways
"Touchdown Alabama!"
vs
"Daniels twists his way in for the score"
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:15 pm to LSUvet72
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Lets call Sean Payton to arrange a hit on Turner !
This isn't the first time Turner has made a dirty,cheap shot on a QB. Wonder if ol' Dallas has benefited financially from any of this?
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:16 pm to dallastiger55
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It was a toss up IMO.
No, it wasn't. That was textbook.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:17 pm to vl100butch
STFU! It’s football and it’s become soft as shite . Imagine if Chad Jones played in this era . He would be in prison. Move on dude . That hit doesn’t change the outcome of the game . Daniels doesn’t play defense
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:19 pm to Tha crook
Turner is a very aggressive player.
So if Devon White played the same way we would be calling for his suspension on that call?
Call me crazy but I want guys like that on my team
So if Devon White played the same way we would be calling for his suspension on that call?
Call me crazy but I want guys like that on my team
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:19 pm to vl100butch
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SEC this morning spouting the party line
Is there an official message from the league office?
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:21 pm to vl100butch
I honestly don't care if its targeting or not but if a player drives a QB into the ground like that AFTER he threw the ball then they deserve to be ejected no matter where their helmet is. Hell thats apenalty in the NFL even if the QB still has the ball and it comes with a $100k fine attached.
It was a dirty play no matter how you slice it. He didn't just hit our QB on a bang bang play, he drove him into the ground with force to try and inflict the most damage he could.
It was a dirty play no matter how you slice it. He didn't just hit our QB on a bang bang play, he drove him into the ground with force to try and inflict the most damage he could.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:21 pm to I-59 Tiger
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That was a dirty play and Dallas Turner is a dirty football player. One of these games some OL is going to take him out after a one of his cheap shots.
Nice thought, but probably won't happen.
Did Ndamukong Suh ever get his comeuppance for being the dirtiest player in Nebraska history? Nope.
Did Nick Fairley ever face any repercussions at Auburn for playing low down and dirty for his entire collegiate career? Nope.
Chaz Ramsey? Don't get me started.
Just two examples, there are many more. I agree that in the current "spirit of player safety" you'd think that they'd come down hard on crap players like Turner (who has taken out two Heisman candidate QB's in his career - so far). But don't hold your breath.
If two blatantly obvious cheap shots on Jayden - on national television in prime-time - aren't enough to get the lame SEC to do (or even just say) something, then give up all hope of ever being treated fairly.
And, bonus flame: Bama didn't get called when one of their players horse-collared Daniels and threw him into another player. When that wasn't called, I knew that the REC's checks had cleared and the Refs were just trying to get through the game so they could start looking for new houses....
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:22 pm to dallastiger55
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So if Devon White played the same way we would be calling for his suspension on that call?
Some of you are literally too stupid for words.
Devin White was suspended for much, much less. Keep supporting the double standard, dumbass. The SEC loves fans like you. Useful moron.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:22 pm to dallastiger55
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Turner is a very aggressive player. So if Devon White played the same way we would be calling for his suspension on that call? Call me crazy but I want guys like that on my team
So once again football is a violent game . Devin white shouldn’t of been penalized either . I’d take a Dallas turner on this defense right now . Dude sometimes you get the call sometimes you don’t . Move on
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:24 pm to Tha crook
No reason to ask for an even playing field, huh??? Everybody else in the league deserves to spot Bama a TD or two even before the game starts.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:26 pm to Tha crook
You’re missing the point dude. It’s the inconsistency of the calls leading to Bama getting away with hits others get punished for
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:28 pm to I-59 Tiger
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That was a dirty play and Dallas Turner is a dirty football player. One of these games some OL is going to take him out after a one of his cheap shots.
Nickname him "Hitman"
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