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Money Still Can't Buy Close-Game Common Sense for these 5 High-Priced Coaches
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:05 am
SI - First Quarter: All that money, all that staff, all those analytics … How are coaches still flunking close-game logic?
Mario Cristobal (1)—yeah, you knew we were starting with him—is being paid $8 million to coach Miami this season. The football staff directory on the athletic website lists 70 people below Cristobal’s name. There are the usual 10 full-time assistants, plus 16 analysts and four grad assistants. There are three analysts for special teams alone. There is a general manager of football operations, an executive director of football, an executive director of football recruiting, a senior football advisor, several directors of player personnel, a vast recruiting operations staff—on and on it goes.....
Marcus Freeman (2), of course, had the two-play, 10-men debacle for Notre Dame against Ohio State on Sept. 23. Freeman also did himself and his team no favors Saturday night in Louisville by having the Fighting Irish offense go for a fourth-and-11 on their own 35 with nearly 10 minutes remaining, down 11 points. That was a panic move that led to a Louisville field goal, on the way to a 33–20 Cardinals victory.....
Missouri’s Eli Drinkwitz (3) had his own visit to the fourth-down panic room, going for a fourth-and-32 down three points to LSU with 1:15 left and all three timeouts. Punting, playing defense, using timeouts and getting the ball back for cannon-legged kicker Harrison Mevis seemed like an option, but Drink went for it, got half the yardage, ran nine seconds off the clock and gave LSU the ball in Missouri territory. LSU didn’t move, but it did punt it down to the Mizzou 5-yard line, whereupon Brady Cook threw a pick six that effectively ended the game.....
Texas A&M’s Jimbo Fisher (4), a $9 million man with a buyout larger than the gross national product of some third-world nations, burned a timeout before kicking a 20-yard field goal late in the game against Alabama. The Aggies could have taken a delay of game and made it a 25-yard field goal without a problem; instead they used a timeout they desperately needed, and Alabama was able to kill the clock on the next possession.....
But the guy who is really thankful for Cristobal today is Lincoln Riley (5). USC’s $10 million man tried to pull a Mario at the end of regulation against Arizona Saturday, but ultimately having Caleb Williams was enough to save the night and keep the Trojans undefeated.....
TTT - Kelly wasn't mentioned and he's been in some real barn-burners, one nearly every week, and neither was Saban. There's a reason for that, they pass the IQ test.
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Mario Cristobal (1)—yeah, you knew we were starting with him—is being paid $8 million to coach Miami this season. The football staff directory on the athletic website lists 70 people below Cristobal’s name. There are the usual 10 full-time assistants, plus 16 analysts and four grad assistants. There are three analysts for special teams alone. There is a general manager of football operations, an executive director of football, an executive director of football recruiting, a senior football advisor, several directors of player personnel, a vast recruiting operations staff—on and on it goes.....
Marcus Freeman (2), of course, had the two-play, 10-men debacle for Notre Dame against Ohio State on Sept. 23. Freeman also did himself and his team no favors Saturday night in Louisville by having the Fighting Irish offense go for a fourth-and-11 on their own 35 with nearly 10 minutes remaining, down 11 points. That was a panic move that led to a Louisville field goal, on the way to a 33–20 Cardinals victory.....
Missouri’s Eli Drinkwitz (3) had his own visit to the fourth-down panic room, going for a fourth-and-32 down three points to LSU with 1:15 left and all three timeouts. Punting, playing defense, using timeouts and getting the ball back for cannon-legged kicker Harrison Mevis seemed like an option, but Drink went for it, got half the yardage, ran nine seconds off the clock and gave LSU the ball in Missouri territory. LSU didn’t move, but it did punt it down to the Mizzou 5-yard line, whereupon Brady Cook threw a pick six that effectively ended the game.....
Texas A&M’s Jimbo Fisher (4), a $9 million man with a buyout larger than the gross national product of some third-world nations, burned a timeout before kicking a 20-yard field goal late in the game against Alabama. The Aggies could have taken a delay of game and made it a 25-yard field goal without a problem; instead they used a timeout they desperately needed, and Alabama was able to kill the clock on the next possession.....
But the guy who is really thankful for Cristobal today is Lincoln Riley (5). USC’s $10 million man tried to pull a Mario at the end of regulation against Arizona Saturday, but ultimately having Caleb Williams was enough to save the night and keep the Trojans undefeated.....
TTT - Kelly wasn't mentioned and he's been in some real barn-burners, one nearly every week, and neither was Saban. There's a reason for that, they pass the IQ test.
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This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:08 am to TrueTigerTale
Unfortunately, Eli had a pick your poison decision. Fourth and 32 is insane, but giving LSU the ball back with a minute and 15 and the way our office was rolling would be insane too.
A small part of me understands keeping the ball in your own hands and seeing if your guys can make a phenomenal play.
A small part of me understands keeping the ball in your own hands and seeing if your guys can make a phenomenal play.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:11 am to Meauxjeaux
Missouri going for it on 4th down wasn't a dumb play at all. If LSU gets a first down on offense on either side of the field and the game is over.
Plus, the long completion was just as good as a punt if not better because it moved the ball and took less time. So there wasn't a bad decision at all in the process
Plus, the long completion was just as good as a punt if not better because it moved the ball and took less time. So there wasn't a bad decision at all in the process
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:13 am to Meauxjeaux
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Unfortunately, Eli had a pick your poison decision. Fourth and 32 is insane, but giving LSU the ball back with a minute and 15 and the way our office was rolling would be insane too.
Hindsight is 20/20 given they stopped LSU after LSU got the ball back, but I can at least find a basis justifying his decision. In their 5 possessions to that point in the 2nd half LSU had gone: FG, TD, Missed FG, TD, TD. With 1:06 to go in the game Drinkwitz probably figured if he gave the ball back to LSU, Missouri would never touch the ball again. Thus, the best "bad option" was to try to pick up 32 yards against LSU's dog-shite defense.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:15 am to Alt26
All you need is a pass interference or defensive holding call and it's 1st down. People criticizing this decision need to reevaluate the circumstances
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:16 am to Alt26
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Thus, the best "bad option" was to try to pick up 32 yards against LSU's dog-shite defense.
You just insulted someone's dog.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:18 am to TrueTigerTale
Cristobal’s screw up is literally unforgivable. If that happened to LSU, I’d want our coach fired immediately.
And…. Then he had the audacity to say to the media afterward that they don’t practice the QB taking snap direct from center and kneeling. Are you freaking kidding me???
Just because you make a lot of Money in no way means you have high intelligence. Just downright stupidity on Cristobal’s part.
And…. Then he had the audacity to say to the media afterward that they don’t practice the QB taking snap direct from center and kneeling. Are you freaking kidding me???
Just because you make a lot of Money in no way means you have high intelligence. Just downright stupidity on Cristobal’s part.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:19 am to tzimme4
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Missouri going for it on 4th down wasn't a dumb play at all. If LSU gets a first down on offense on either side of the field and the game is over. Plus, the long completion was just as good as a punt if not better because it moved the ball and took less time. So there wasn't a bad decision at all in the process
The play call was bad. Throw it deep and see if you get a PI
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:22 am to tzimme4
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Missouri going for it on 4th down wasn't a dumb play at all.
Yes it was.
quote] If LSU gets a first down on offense on either side of the field and the game is over. [/quote]
True
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Plus, the long completion was just as good as a punt if not better because it moved the ball and took less time
It wasn’t a long completion and didn’t move the ball forty yards like a punt would have IF we fielded it and people know we are shakey in catching punts.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:26 am to tzimme4
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Plus, the long completion was just as good as a punt if not better
Wtf?
16yd pass to the Mizzou 48 better than a punt?
Their punter averages 44.5yds with a career long of 73yds against us in that game.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:35 am to tzimme4
The issue with going for it was a mixture of a few things: 1. I could understand if it was 4th and anything below 15 yards, as you have quite a few plays at your discretion that you can call that can get 15 yards. The fact that it was 4th and 32 at the 28 was what made it bad, which leads me to point 2. It was on the 28 yard line. If you get no yards or not enough yards, we can kick a field goal and then you have to score a TD instead of just being able to kick a field goal to tie the game. Thankfully for him, they got enough yards and we didn't really gain anything with our 3 downs so we had to punt it back. 3. Going off of 2, the punter averages 41.95 yards a punt. If he gets his average, we start with the ball at around our 35 yard line. While they still have to get a stop, this would have given them potentially much better field position assuming a stop. Also, this changes the way our defense plays with them having better field position.
I personally feel that, it being 4th and 32 makes it a no-brainer that you have to punt the ball. With all 3 time outs, they would have gotten the ball back with about the same amount of time as they ended up getting it back with (45 seconds), which is more than enough time to move it into field goal range. The 4th down play took about 9 seconds, which is close to the same amount of time a punt would take.
I personally feel that, it being 4th and 32 makes it a no-brainer that you have to punt the ball. With all 3 time outs, they would have gotten the ball back with about the same amount of time as they ended up getting it back with (45 seconds), which is more than enough time to move it into field goal range. The 4th down play took about 9 seconds, which is close to the same amount of time a punt would take.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:41 am to Tammany Tom
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Cristobal’s screw up is literally unforgivable. If that happened to LSU, I’d want our coach fired immediately.
And…. Then he had the audacity to say to the media afterward that they don’t practice the QB taking snap direct from center and kneeling. Are you freaking kidding me???
Just because you make a lot of Money in no way means you have high intelligence. Just downright stupidity on Cristobal’s part.
Completely agree with everything you just said. I couldn't imagine how our fan base would have reacted if that would've happened to us. As you mentioned, his response after the game only made it worse. He also tried to insinuate that this was the OC's decision and that he was to blame! I don't care how much my OC or DC is making or the power they have to call plays. If I am the head coach, decisions like this are an automatic veto on my part! If they want to get mad after the game at me, I will sleep like a baby knowing that we took the worst possible outcomes off the table by playing smart football! Also, as you mentioned, the fact that they don't practice getting the ball from under center for these types of plays if laughable! Having said that, I see teams every week run that same kneel down play from the shotgun, so they still could have accomplished the same thing from the shotgun!
Posted on 10/10/23 at 12:28 pm to Tammany Tom
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Cristobal’s screw up is literally unforgivable. If that happened to LSU, I’d want our coach fired immediately.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:17 pm to tzimme4
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Missouri going for it on 4th down wasn't a dumb play at all. If LSU gets a first down on offense on either side of the field and the game is over
True.
But if they don’t…field position is different. A reasonable guess is 25-30 yards different.
So instead of starting at their 5, they would be starting at their 30-35 needing a FG with a little less than a minute remaining.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:19 pm to tzimme4
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you need is a pass interference or defensive holding call and it's 1st down. People criticizing this decision need to reevaluate the circumstances
There were no decisions that qa showing to give them a good chance at winning. Both decision required them getting a 3 and out.
Given that getting a first down was probably 1 in 50, field position made the most sense.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:39 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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Their punter averages 44.5yds with a career long of 73yds against us in that game
Didn't he also have a 16 yarder?
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:43 pm to bluebarracuda
Brian Kelly called a timeout after 2nd down instead of third, which allows Arkansas to get the ball back with 11 seconds instead of kicking the game winning FG with zero time on the clock
He fricked up just like everyone in the OP
He fricked up just like everyone in the OP
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:45 pm to Meauxjeaux
I thought Eli's best option was to do one of those underthrown passes that often get a PI call.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:45 pm to moneyg
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True. But if they don’t…field position is different. A reasonable guess is 25-30 yards different. So instead of starting at their 5, they would be starting at their 30-35 needing a FG with a little less than a minute remaining.
There’s also more nuance, though and I still think I appreciate them going for it
1) they couldn’t stop our offense
2) they still gained yardage that would equal a “bad” punt, but with the positives of any single penalty from PI, holding, hands to the face, roughing the passer etc. could get a first down
3) even if they don’t get yardage at all, LSU already being in field goal range played the sequence more conservatively than they would have on the other end of the field knowing a first down ends the game. So at worse you are only down 6
I can see both arguments
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