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Posted on 9/16/23 at 12:44 am to rrboy
67k in Michigan to build one section of a car is pretty good. Michigan's median income is 56k and most don't have the extra union benefits either. Frankly these unions should be paying Ford to let them keep their jobs. If you look at the dress code, build quality and attention to detail in a Japanese plant versus a US plant you can see why the Japanese have better cars. Haruto over there is dressed in a clean suit with his sights set only on his task. Meanwhile while in Detroit, Tyrone is dressed in a baseball cap, t-shirt and shorts hitting on Yolanda while trying to torque the engine. Now he has the audacity to demand 40 hrs pay for only 32hrs of work.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:01 am to wadewilson
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Don't mistake recognizing an observable fact as complaining.
Ok. That’s fair!
quote:So a better constructed house with twice the square footage, and (my addition) much nicer finishes for the same (indexed to inflation) price, at 8% apr compare to 18% apr…. sounds horrible.
Newer houses, which cost 2-2.5 times as much and have twice as much square footage
quote:You're assuming that everyone is “average”. Plenty of fields and trades have beat inflation. others haven’t. My uncle was an awesome carburetor tuner. His income didn’t keep up with inflation. I’m sure you can figure out why. My dad worked in electronics. He beat inflation. Income depends on what an individual does more than anything else.
You're assuming wages kept up with inflation. They have not.
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Do you think $120k house at 10% is cheaper than a $400k house at 7%?
I assume you mean interest %-ages. But It’s not enough info to answer the question. If it’s no down payment…and the $120k house is appreciating at 1% a year it’s expensive. If the second house is appreciating at 15% yoy it’s cheap.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 1:39 am to Sun Belt Billy
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If you look at the dress code, build quality and attention to detail in a Japanese plant versus a US plant you can see why the Japanese have better cars. Haruto over there is dressed in a clean suit with his sights set only on his task. Meanwhile while in Detroit, Tyrone is dressed in a baseball cap, t-shirt and shorts hitting on Yolanda while trying to torque the engine.
GM has to be embarrassed with the appearance of the workers when they show up in videos showing them assembling $170K Vettes.
I'm sure uniforms/dress codes are banned by the UAW contact.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 6:11 am to Ponchy Tiger
Yeah, average UAW worker makes about 34/ hr before taxes.
They probably deserve some increase because of inflation and due to the fact that they have been essentially working on the same contract for the past decade and a half and did give up some of their goodies back in 2009. But a 35% raise is ridiculous.
They probably deserve some increase because of inflation and due to the fact that they have been essentially working on the same contract for the past decade and a half and did give up some of their goodies back in 2009. But a 35% raise is ridiculous.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 6:27 am to SUB
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Joe Burrow makes $29 million a month. So what?
Best damn response.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 6:41 am to 777Tiger
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and his employer is a tax exempt,
You have Louisiana to thank for that. Also how New Orleans ended up with an NFL franchise.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 7:23 am to STLDawg
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The simping for the megarich is hilarious. Guess what, they hate you and grease the palms of the government officials to get more money and power.
To reach CEO of a big corporation requires years of work, learning the in and outs of multi-national business, laws, taxes, etc… it’s extremely complex.
To install a windshield requires 2 arms.
The windshield installer didn’t design the process. Or the glass. Or the adhesive. Or the equipment. They are literally just…there.
I can’t stand when people won’t put in the effort to better their position in life outside of demanding more for less, with union gravy train no less.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 7:38 am to Chicken
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Chicken
Speaking of CEOs with inflated salaries...
Get the pitchforks, baws!
Posted on 9/16/23 at 9:30 am to STLDawg
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The simping for the megarich is hilarious. Guess what, they hate you and grease the palms of the government officials to get more money and power.
I don't get why people spend so much time comparing yourself to others in the first place.
If you're unhappy with where you are in life, change it instead of waiting for the bar to be lowered. Being envious of the rich isn't going to put any extra money in your pocket.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 9:33 am to concrete_tiger
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To install a windshield requires 2 arms.
The windshield installer didn’t design the process. Or the glass. Or the adhesive. Or the equipment. They are literally just…there.
All they do now is watch the robot
This post was edited on 9/16/23 at 9:33 am
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:04 am to STLDawg
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The simping for the megarich is hilarious. Guess what, they hate you and grease the palms of the government officials to get more money and power.
I have customers complain to my team and I about the cars I drive, the house I live In, and the fact we travel so much. Guess what? No one chose your profession for you, no one is stopping you from starting your own business and doing what I do. So shut the frick up, stop acting like the “wealthy” give a flying frick much less hate anyone, and do better in your own damn life.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:44 am to concrete_tiger
If memory serves, didn't the stock option as a form of compensation come about due to complaints about CEO salaries and other perks? And i think government (esp IRS and SEC) regulations helped push corporations in that direction as well...
unintended consequences...
unintended consequences...
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:47 am to TigersnJeeps
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If memory serves, didn't the stock option as a form of compensation come about due to complaints about CEO salaries and other perks? And i think government (esp IRS and SEC) regulations helped push corporations in that direction as well...
unintended consequences...
Several years ago the IRS changed the tax code and made it so salaries above a certain level could not be deducted as business expenses. This was done because they thought High-Level execs made too much money.
After that most companies changed executive comp packages to reduce salary and convert other monies to a bonus structure tied to company performance. Since then total CEO comp has risen substantially.
Maybe the government should stay out of business.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:11 am to DCtiger1
Being envious of another’s pay is immature, Poor man’s greed. If you want your pay to be above the norm, do something above the norm. Find something you are good at, spend 10,000 hours at, you will master it.
From the 90s to the early 2000s I was a construction manager making $36,000 a year plus bonus. I got passed over for a senior management position.
I decided that was enough. I started my own residential construction company…IN 2008!
Self taught on design software BTW.
Think about that for a sec.
We scraped and fought and found a way to separate ourselves from the real estate chaos that most builders were mired in. (Didn’t bitch and moan about the “market crash”. )
Invested time and effort in learning what markets weren’t effected, and hammered it.
Fast forward to now. We do between $8 million and $12 million a year. All in house design. Still a small company, but lean with low overhead. Stiff market, suppressed by interest rates but still digging. Still getting contracts.
My income is significant, but it’s a result of what I put in the last 15 years. There are people out there that think they deserve to “share the wealth” simply because they are now part of the organization. If some Union hack threatened a strike with me I would shut it down, go on extended staycation and tell them to call me when they are ready to go back to work. I would never see your picket signs because I would be fishing.
From the 90s to the early 2000s I was a construction manager making $36,000 a year plus bonus. I got passed over for a senior management position.
I decided that was enough. I started my own residential construction company…IN 2008!
Self taught on design software BTW.
Think about that for a sec.
We scraped and fought and found a way to separate ourselves from the real estate chaos that most builders were mired in. (Didn’t bitch and moan about the “market crash”. )
Invested time and effort in learning what markets weren’t effected, and hammered it.
Fast forward to now. We do between $8 million and $12 million a year. All in house design. Still a small company, but lean with low overhead. Stiff market, suppressed by interest rates but still digging. Still getting contracts.
My income is significant, but it’s a result of what I put in the last 15 years. There are people out there that think they deserve to “share the wealth” simply because they are now part of the organization. If some Union hack threatened a strike with me I would shut it down, go on extended staycation and tell them to call me when they are ready to go back to work. I would never see your picket signs because I would be fishing.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 3:18 pm to rrboy
RA’ed to move to bullshite board
Posted on 9/16/23 at 3:24 pm to rrboy
You could pay me way less to churn out shitty cars like GM and dodge
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