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Seafood stock recipe for shrimp gumbo (recommendations)
Posted on 9/12/23 at 5:59 am
Posted on 9/12/23 at 5:59 am
Need help making a seafood stock for my seafood gumbo. Should I use fish heads? Does the type of fish heads matter? Shrimp heads/shells? I made one last year and it came out too fishy so I need some help.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:05 am to Yeahbuddy35
No fish heads
Shellfish only: shrimp heads and shells, crab bodies if you got em
Shellfish only: shrimp heads and shells, crab bodies if you got em
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:19 am to Yeahbuddy35
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Shrimp heads/shells? I made one last year and it came out too fishy so I need some help.
Don’t use the heads of the shrimp, just the shells and tail. A legit chef guy who posted here convinced me of this. He said using the heads for a stock just mucks it up. Just the shells yields a lovely clearer seafood essence stock. I like to sauté them in a glimmer of oil to the point they turn pink before adding water v
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:26 am to Yeahbuddy35
I find fish heads make a stock that is "too fishy tasting".
My go-to are the shrimp heads and peels. They don't need to be cooked down anywhere near as long as I cook down chicken, beef or pork stocks.
Only advice I can give is when the shrimp stock is done, strain it well----I use a chinois which is a very fine mesh stainless steel strainer. Let the stock come to near room temperature and put it in the fridge to cool overnight. Next day use a ladle to remove the stock being real careful to not disturb any sludge on the bottom of the container. No matter how much you strain it, there will be some sludge.
Bag it up in quart freezer bags to save some if you have enough. I make my stock when I buy 25 or more lbs. of fresh shrimp and usually get a couple gallons worth.
My go-to are the shrimp heads and peels. They don't need to be cooked down anywhere near as long as I cook down chicken, beef or pork stocks.
Only advice I can give is when the shrimp stock is done, strain it well----I use a chinois which is a very fine mesh stainless steel strainer. Let the stock come to near room temperature and put it in the fridge to cool overnight. Next day use a ladle to remove the stock being real careful to not disturb any sludge on the bottom of the container. No matter how much you strain it, there will be some sludge.
Bag it up in quart freezer bags to save some if you have enough. I make my stock when I buy 25 or more lbs. of fresh shrimp and usually get a couple gallons worth.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:03 am to Yeahbuddy35
I use shrimp heads and shells. Some crab shells if I have them. I brown them on a cookie sheet in the oven, then add to water, simmer then strain
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:03 am to Yeahbuddy35
When you find yourself without shrimp shells for a stock, this comes in handy. I've used it in small amounts for a dish serving a few people and large amounts serving 100 and have been pleased with the results.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:01 am to Yeahbuddy35
As said by others, no fish heads. Simmer, don't boil, the shells. It doesn't take long to get shrimp stock. I wouldn't go over 30 minutes.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:16 pm to Yeahbuddy35
Get some fresh shrimp, peel them, bake the peelings at 375 for about 15 minutes, then simmer them for a couple hours. You can also add some crab peelings to your stock.
Another option is to just get some lobster bouillon and use that.
Another option is to just get some lobster bouillon and use that.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:50 pm to Yeahbuddy35
quote:Interesting that you should bring this up. I was revisiting On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee just last night and read his perspective on fish and shellfish stock.
Should I use fish heads?
He recommends that, if you use fish to make your stock, do not simmer it in the water. Instead, make a court-bouillon and then add the fish once it is cooled down to 175°F before briefly poaching the fish. Has to do with the the low melting point and water solubility of fish collagen.
quote:Conventional wisdom suggests the use of mild white flesh fish for stock making (snapper, grouper, halibut) and to avoid oily fish (salmon, mackerel, herring).
Does the type of fish heads matter?
Couple of tips for maximum flavor extraction.
* Sautee and smash the shells before adding veg
* Sautee vegetables before adding water
* Start with cold water
* Add a tablespoon of vinegar per gallon of water
* Skim the scum
* Strain your stock through a fine sieve and or cheese cloth
* Press the shells and veg to extract all the liquid before discarding
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:34 pm to Yeahbuddy35
Most "rules" of stock apply to restaurants, which use stocks in multiple ways, not known in advance.
For example, restaurants want stocks to be clear so they can be used for consomme, or dishes like that. But since you're making a stock for gumbo, clarity is of no concern.
If you have fish heads, use them, they have tremendous flavor. But first remove the gills, which are bitter.
Nothing is to be gained by cooking fish fumet at high heat, or for a long time. Cook it at the gentlest simmer - 180 degree F is enough.
30 minutes is plenty of time. If you want to flavor it or reduce it further, strain out the bones after 30 minutes, then add your veg and boil away.
For example, restaurants want stocks to be clear so they can be used for consomme, or dishes like that. But since you're making a stock for gumbo, clarity is of no concern.
If you have fish heads, use them, they have tremendous flavor. But first remove the gills, which are bitter.
Nothing is to be gained by cooking fish fumet at high heat, or for a long time. Cook it at the gentlest simmer - 180 degree F is enough.
30 minutes is plenty of time. If you want to flavor it or reduce it further, strain out the bones after 30 minutes, then add your veg and boil away.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:49 pm to Yeahbuddy35
Shrimp shells mostly. Rinsed thoroughly. Some heads but not many.
Filter the hell out of it.
Filter the hell out of it.
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:09 pm to Yeahbuddy35
No fish heads...
FOr the ones who say do not use the shrimp heads... Why? They do not cloud up anything as you strain it afterwards and decrease your strainer mesh size if you want it cleaner.
Small oil in pot
Put shrimp heads, take a mallet and press down mashing them into the pot, add shrimp shells, crab shells and pieces
Cook down to red, then add water, throw in 2 cubes of seafood stock
Add onions, bell peppers, onion tops, garlic and any other veggies
Boil then simmer for 1 hour
I sometimes take my water from boiling seafood as the start, cook the shrimp head, shells, etc. and add them back in the seafood boil water, then you have an even stronger stock
FOr the ones who say do not use the shrimp heads... Why? They do not cloud up anything as you strain it afterwards and decrease your strainer mesh size if you want it cleaner.
Small oil in pot
Put shrimp heads, take a mallet and press down mashing them into the pot, add shrimp shells, crab shells and pieces
Cook down to red, then add water, throw in 2 cubes of seafood stock
Add onions, bell peppers, onion tops, garlic and any other veggies
Boil then simmer for 1 hour
I sometimes take my water from boiling seafood as the start, cook the shrimp head, shells, etc. and add them back in the seafood boil water, then you have an even stronger stock
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:40 am to Yeahbuddy35
I used to use the shrimp heads and shells to make stock for my seafood gumbo. I found using the heads made the gumbo too strong tasting especially when warming up the next day. Just the shrimp shells for me. Everyone has their own opinion I guess.
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