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re: Honest apolitical question. Covid.

Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:52 am to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:52 am to
How is it poorly worded? I cited the entire paragraph from the CDC. What am I missing?
Posted by jose
Houma
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:52 am to
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Zero conspiracy here, just asking questions. This goes against common sense, seemingly, that if one has never had Covid before they are better suited against this new version?



At the end of the day it is still a cold. Hospital admissions are still unaffected.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:53 am to
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How is that even possible?
The nature of quickly mutating viruses.

The ones that “survive” are the ones able to bypass and replicate.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:54 am to
OK, now you have me curious. What about putting vaccine into quotes is an issue? ? Because there isn’t a vaccine, that’s not even up for debate.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:55 am to
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but nothing really to get upset about.


Oh agree to disagree
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:55 am to
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How is it poorly worded? I cited the entire paragraph from the CDC. What am I missing?

Because it's further down in the link that it's comparing it to previous variants.
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Immune Impacts: The large number of mutations in this variant raises concerns of greater escape from existing immunity from vaccines and previous infections compared with other recent variants.

I assume the person writing up these things for the CDC every day for the past year would know they were comparing variants, but to outsiders it isn't so obvious if you just read the heading and not the full release.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:56 am to
I agree with you, but putting quotes around vaccine will not doubt lead to a political shite throwing mess.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 7:57 am
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
4450 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:00 am to
The information is coming from the government and big pharma. They have been wrong and lied since the beginning.

The reality is covid is a virus. You can get a virus many time. It does not require a shot. It does require preventatives and medicine to assist with symptoms for some people. if you have a weakened immune system, you could die. If you are mis-diagnosed, you may also die.

Anecdotal but something to keep in mind. 4 kids in my daughter's class took home kits and popped positive for covid. when they all went to see a doctor to confirm, they were all negative for covid and three had strep.

So can you imagine having strep and not treating it with antibiotics because you think you have covid.

Medical community has destroyed themselves because they sold their souls for the money.
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
6061 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:01 am to
It would seem that the virus could evolve to go around any built up immunities in a a “self preservation” method. I would assume it’s like others have said, its similar to seasonal flu that mutates every year. The annual flu vaccines do have the ability to reduce the severity of flu when you do catch it.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:02 am to
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Medical community has destroyed themselves because they sold their souls for the money

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4 kids in my daughter's class took home kits and popped positive for covid. when they all went to see a doctor to confirm, they were all negative for covid and three had strep.
Uhhh...except for that one doctor? Maybe you should narrow your brush.
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
2447 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:04 am to
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At the end of the day it is still a cold. Hospital admissions are still unaffected.


Now do emergency room visits…
Posted by CrappyPants
Member since Apr 2021
796 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:06 am to
Its an election year. Get ready. You will see fear mongering on Covid (get your booster!), white police officers killing black people (who are perfect angels, who didn't do anything wrong, that's racist!), mass shootings (gun control!), and oh no its 92 in September, a branch fell on the street (Climate Change!), a man sexual rubbing a woman's vagine who didn't want it rubbed (sexual assault!) and a woman who couldn't get a life altering abortion who died (Stay off our pussies!) Basically. White men bad. Vote for an insane old clown white man to run the country!
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
1986 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:10 am to
Colds and flu mutate too fast for a vaccine to ever effectively eradicate them.
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
57284 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:32 am to
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BA.2.86
Has not yet showed up as a circulating variant on the LA Dept of Health website.

Should be updated today.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
44336 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:43 am to
It’s a Chinese bio weapon that escaped tfrom a lab, I think it’s doctor on all this from Minnesota (Oppenheimer I think) that says it best, anyone that tells you thy do understand all this is lying. He write a book on this ten years ago.

The real truth is we don’t know.

They aren’t true vaccines as they don’t keep you from getting shite they are just supposed to keep you out of hospital and from dying . Virus mutate too much to ever really have an effective vaccine but these are not really vaccines anyway
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68123 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:58 am to
Is your blood sugar low, Tut? Feeling ok?
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:00 am to
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BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.


This is confusingly worded. "More capable" here is a comparison between strains - that is, it has been speculated that this strain may be more likely to cause infection in previously infected or vaccinated people than other strains. It's starting to seem like this isn't true, though:

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But three studies released since the weekend, along with Moderna's new data, suggest the variant, nicknamed Pirola, isn't so bad — at least for now, said Dr. Eric Topol, professor and executive vice president of Scripps Research in La Jolla, California.

"It's been downgraded from a hurricane to not even a tropical storm. We're lucky," Topol said. "This one could have been really bad."
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
29651 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:02 am to
Which is weird because this isn’t a peer reviewed paper but some thing that is aimed to be suitable for the public. At least that’s my understanding.

The way I see it there are three groups. The unvaccinated who had it. The vaccinated. And those who have neither caught or had the vaccine. It still baffles me as to why those in the last group would be more protected.

This isn’t taking into consideration in the other vaccines, and if they “escape“. And why would that even be tossed into the equation anyways? How about the zero viruses or pathogens escape. I pick that.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:03 am
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:04 am to
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It still baffles me as to why those in the last group would be more protected.


probably because that isn't the case?

But to the greater point, they have literally only sequenced 9 fricking samples of this variant. They don't know shite yet
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:05 am
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
9353 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:06 am to
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The way I see it there are three groups. The unvaccinated who had it. The vaccinated. And those who have neither caught or had the vaccine. It still baffles me as to why those in the last group would be more protected.


Well you would be less baffled if you learned how to read an entire briefing where it states that isn't what it meant.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:08 am
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