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re: On this day in 1945, the city of Nagasaki is wiped off the face of the earth...
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:32 am to QJenk
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:32 am to QJenk
quote:Especially when you consider how easily the sheople can be herded into human atrocity with simple propaganda.
Considering that happened nearly 80 years ago. I'm terrified at what humanity could do now with a giant bomb.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:33 am to Hayekian serf
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Mass murder done by the United States government
Pearl Harbor was mass murder done by the Japanese government. They fricked around. They found out.
But clutch those pearls if it helps you feel better
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:34 am to Hayekian serf
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Mass murder done by the United States government
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:36 am to Nutriaitch
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you are aware that things can be rebuilt, correct?
Neither Hiroshima or Nagasaki were burned to the ground. There are still structures that were less than 1km from the blast that are still standing and used as museums.
As others have stated, a large part of the problem of Tokyo, in particular, is the amount of wood and paper that the Japanese used in residential construction. Fire kills, not just uranium and plutonium powered bombs.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:37 am to LemmyLives
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Yet you're not terrified about political systems (almost always Marxist) that starve, imprison, and kill people by the hundreds of thousands, and millions over time?
I have zero idea how you took my statement that was marveling at humanities' technological advancements in war.. into making a political statement on political systems.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:38 am to TX Tiger
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Who started it?
Loaded question, but I’ll refer to the simple answer of who declared it.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:39 am to RollTide1987
After seeing Oppenheimer over the weekend, I've come to the conclusion that the reasoning behind building the bomb was sound, beat the Nazi's. Once the bomb was tested, that should have been it. Nazi's were gone, Japan wasn't building one. No possible reason exists to use that much force and unleash what we did on the world.
We've invaded countless times after Japan without stopping to say, "if we use the bomb, we can stop this with less casualties." That's because we've used it already and the shite storm from it will never cease. It boils down to Truman just trying to swing his dick around like a big boy, just like they wanted him to when they railroaded Henry Wallace. They got perpetual war, at the cost of unlocking the deadliest weapon known to man.
We should have bit the bullet, invaded, waited for the Russians to invade, and got the full scale surrender that was coming anyway. Would the Russians have ever gotten the bomb made if we shuttered it after Trinity? Who knows. I don't think they got enough from Fuchs to go full scale. The continued production and testing caused more leaks. Cap it after Trinity, all signs point to...we keep this from ever seeing the light of day in a war time scenario. As it should have been.
We've invaded countless times after Japan without stopping to say, "if we use the bomb, we can stop this with less casualties." That's because we've used it already and the shite storm from it will never cease. It boils down to Truman just trying to swing his dick around like a big boy, just like they wanted him to when they railroaded Henry Wallace. They got perpetual war, at the cost of unlocking the deadliest weapon known to man.
We should have bit the bullet, invaded, waited for the Russians to invade, and got the full scale surrender that was coming anyway. Would the Russians have ever gotten the bomb made if we shuttered it after Trinity? Who knows. I don't think they got enough from Fuchs to go full scale. The continued production and testing caused more leaks. Cap it after Trinity, all signs point to...we keep this from ever seeing the light of day in a war time scenario. As it should have been.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:43 am to Hayekian serf
This line of thinking is partially why the us military has an atrocious W/L record since 1945.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:46 am to RollTide1987
I had a late uncle about to graduate Army bootcamp when WWII ended. He was sent to Nagasaki. They had them stay on the ships for two months before disembarking. The guys were never told why but now believe it had to do with the radiation. The thing that he remembered the most was nothing over 6 ft was standing. Interesting enough, the Japanese didn't build weapons and ammunition factories outside of cities. They were built inside so any attack on them would result in civilian casualties.
He was over there destroying weapons and apparently the Japanese had literally cut out large areas inside mountains and installed numerous heavy artillery. Some of those guns he said,(he was a smaller guy and skinny) could practically crawl through. Artillery like that would most certainly pose a nasty threat to ships and landing craft. Most certainly would have made D-day look like a walk in the park.
When first hand account like that is taken and the realization that Japan still controlled the Far East, one realizes those two bombs saved lives.
Just look at how much the Japanese controlled prior to the bombs dropped. Huge eye opener.
war in pacific everday
He was over there destroying weapons and apparently the Japanese had literally cut out large areas inside mountains and installed numerous heavy artillery. Some of those guns he said,(he was a smaller guy and skinny) could practically crawl through. Artillery like that would most certainly pose a nasty threat to ships and landing craft. Most certainly would have made D-day look like a walk in the park.
When first hand account like that is taken and the realization that Japan still controlled the Far East, one realizes those two bombs saved lives.
Just look at how much the Japanese controlled prior to the bombs dropped. Huge eye opener.
war in pacific everday
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:46 am to Nutriaitch
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on the low end, the Japanese likely killed twice as many people as the Germans did in the Holocaust. Higher estimates would put it up around 4 or maybe even 5 times as many.
Same with Russia and their gulags. Germany gets the most attention bc they documented everything that they did.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:46 am to FredBear
quote:With the full cooperation of key elements within the U.S. government for the purpose of facilitating our entrance into WWII...not unlike 9/11, which paved the way for the invasion of the Middle East, or the Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam).
Pearl Harbor was mass murder done by the Japanese government.
War is a racket.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:52 am to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:Actually, I was referring to those who believe that Pear Harbor was the start.
Who started it?
Loaded question, but I’ll refer to the simple answer of who declared it.
It wasn't. Pearl Harbor was the Japanese response to U.S. sanctions designed to provoke such a response for the purpose of garnering support for entering WWII.
Similar tactic was used on 9/11 to garner support for a 20-year war in the Middle East.
Also see, Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam).
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:54 am to Cajunhawk81
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After seeing Oppenheimer over the weekend
We got an expert here
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:54 am to Asleepinthecove
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It makes you wonder, spiritually, who would pay for murdering so many innocent people. Is it the people who designed the weapon, the one who ordered its use, or the ones who dropped it? WWGS (what would God say)?
there's a blockbuster movie right now about this.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:57 am to Sun God
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We got an expert here
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:58 am to RollTide1987
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Soviet invasion
That's why they did it.
Many generals were against the bombing.
They did it because they already split Germany and Europe with the Reds. They didn't wanna split Japan too.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:00 pm to Kino74
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, one realizes those two bombs saved lives.
Only American lives. Unleashing the Atomic bomb on the world caused large swaths of land to become unusable for thousands of years, island chains completely devoid of any life because they are toxic wastelands. The amount of American lives we saved is dwarfed by what was ushered in by dropping those two bombs on Japan, for a war that was already in the bag.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:03 pm to RollTide1987
Anyone that says the US shouldn't have done what they did should read up on Japanese Unit 731. Those motherfrickers even made Hitler look nice.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:03 pm to Hayekian serf
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Hayekian serf
Chances this self-flagellating snowflake has a CoExist bumper sticker on his Prius? 100%
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:00 pm to RollTide1987
Japan was the equivalent of this towards the end
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