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re: Ford Dealers Can’t Move All The Mustang Mach-Es They Have For Sale
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:26 pm to member12
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:26 pm to member12
They got massive subsidies (which Tesla didn’t since they aren’t Unions and our Government DGAF about EV’s as much as propping up legacy union infused companies). They wanted the $$$$ for building them and they don’t really care if they sit.
Tesla meanwhile just cut their prices when these hit the market and began selling a shite ton more and shifted their profit to volume and away from margin, setting sales records and undercutting the glut of rushed-to-market POS versions out there.
This is a classic case of Government intervening in a market and distorting its fundamentals. Capitalism is based on supply and demand. The subsidies the legacy automakers got (which again Tesla did not simply because they’re not Unions, which was an entirely arbitrary reason) made demand irrelevant.
So now supply is bent out of it’s normal equilibrium within the market…and the EV automaker you tried to not-so-subtly punish still flourished by taking advantage of your dumb, interventionist moves and you’ve screwed the market as a whole…and oh by the way the legacies have to PAY Tesla to link into their charging infrastructure so Tesla continues to win.
It’s not a reflection of market reaction. It’s a reflection of an unnatural market intervention that caused said market to behave irregularly, ignoring supply and demand fundamentals.
Tesla meanwhile just cut their prices when these hit the market and began selling a shite ton more and shifted their profit to volume and away from margin, setting sales records and undercutting the glut of rushed-to-market POS versions out there.
This is a classic case of Government intervening in a market and distorting its fundamentals. Capitalism is based on supply and demand. The subsidies the legacy automakers got (which again Tesla did not simply because they’re not Unions, which was an entirely arbitrary reason) made demand irrelevant.
So now supply is bent out of it’s normal equilibrium within the market…and the EV automaker you tried to not-so-subtly punish still flourished by taking advantage of your dumb, interventionist moves and you’ve screwed the market as a whole…and oh by the way the legacies have to PAY Tesla to link into their charging infrastructure so Tesla continues to win.
It’s not a reflection of market reaction. It’s a reflection of an unnatural market intervention that caused said market to behave irregularly, ignoring supply and demand fundamentals.
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:17 pm to member12
My daughter has a Mach E and loves it. I have a Lightning and I love it. They do exactly what we wanted. Why ya'll want to throw shite on what we like. My Lightning will get up and haul arse.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:39 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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My daughter has a Mach E and loves it. I have a Lightning and I love it. They do exactly what we wanted. Why ya'll want to throw shite on what we like. My Lightning will get up and haul arse.
How is posting an article "throwing shite" on anything?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:41 pm to YOURADHERE
The front of the Mustang E looks like a Fiesta.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:43 pm to LegendInMyMind
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LegendInMyMind
You figure that out. It's not the title. It's the response.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:54 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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My Lightning will get up and haul arse.
That lightning may haul arse, but it can't haul a trailer.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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the look is closer to Subaru than Mustang
Those wheels are hideous. Is that how they look from dealer?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:06 pm to alphaandomega
quote:Around 17000 in the US, plenty enough. Unless you're going to really rural areas, you'll always have a supercharger available for any road trip you want to take.
10-15 minutes at a super charger. How many of these are there?
quote:A few
How many people will be using them?
quote:In 4 years, I've waited exactly 0 seconds for a stall every time I've used a supercharger.
How long will the lines be of people waiting to use it?
quote:This is literally an advantage for the EV. They can last longer than an ICE vehicle while idling, running an AC or going at slow speeds.
The battery will die because it is sitting in bumper to bumper traffic for hours, or moving at 15-20mph. While the car is basically idling it is still using battery power to run the AC, radio etc.
quote:Again, this is where you have it backwards. The EV can go farther or longer in those situations you're coming up with.
Yes the EV could make a trip at highway speeds that distance, but not when the time is tripled or quadrupled.
quote:It was factually incorrect, so it does not refute this at all.
My statement above refutes this as well.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:10 pm to member12
Ford and GM will never learn.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:28 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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You figure that out. It's not the title. It's the response.
Forgive me. You replied to the OP, which quoted the article.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 5:12 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Why spend $45k to $60k on the Mach-e when you can get a Tesla with better features for less? Ford over priced the market and are now suffering for it
Tell me you’ve never sat in a Tesla without telling me you’ve never sat in a Tesla. A Model Y which competes with the Mach-E is the cheapest piece of crap on the inside. Bare plastic for days. The damn thing doesn’t even have Apple Car Play/ Android Auto in it.
The lower end Teslas are cheap garbage on the inside. If you call a Christmas dance party mode on your 50k vehicle a feature, then I guess you’re right and the Mach-E can’t compete.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 5:29 pm to member12
Vesting a name of a car with a long lineage in an SUV is equivalent to a Bud Light marketing move. The small SUV market is flooded and the Ford can only go by name recognition.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:06 pm to Macfly
I hate the name but I don't think it's that bad looking for the type of car it is. I'm not interested in an EV and from the sales it looks like I'm in the majority.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:10 pm to SaintEB
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Is it possible that people that wanted EVs already have them and they overestimated the demand?
Or they are just too expensive?
There is a reason.
For me it’s a few variables. We like to drive when we travel versus fly, so it doesn’t really meet the need of driving longer distances. Especially when only certain parts of the country have the infrastructure to support it. And when I’m home, I have a really short commute so there’s no reason for me to get rid of my current car which is paid off and works great.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:17 pm to GFunk
Don’t Tesla buyers get a tax credit?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:18 pm to member12
I would not want to own this garbage out of warranty.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:22 pm to member12
Ford is such a disaster 
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:29 pm to SirWinston
for the twenty something daddy’s girl market Ford offered the Bronco and the Mach E at the same time. is it any wonder why bronco sales are through the roof while Mach E’s are struggling to sell?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:33 pm to chinese58
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This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 11:36 am
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