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re: Bosses’ opinions of remote work changing quickly
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:17 am to GrammarKnotsi
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:17 am to GrammarKnotsi
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we've made RECORD profits the last two years and all they can think about is our corporate real estate around the world being underutilized
Fear, ignorance, and incompetence is a hell of a combo.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:18 am to TejasHorn
Covid is not over!
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:18 am to GetCocky11
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Nobody does this
...anymore.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:19 am to I20goon
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Accountability
You either get your work done or you don't. I don't need extra check ins from management to get my work done.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:19 am to TheWalrus
Its extremely role dependent. I know some people who are massively more productive at home, but their role is conducive to it. Coming to the office just leads to them being forced to frick off more.
If you're role is such that you spend all day every day on zoom calls, it doesn't really matter where you are.
If you're role is such that you spend all day every day on zoom calls, it doesn't really matter where you are.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:20 am to TCO
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Option A - work from home. Get a little extra morning sleep. T-shirt and shorts. Get 5-6 hours of solid, undistracted work in, call it quits around 4 (12 on Fridays).
This is me and we go in 3 days a week. I do think it is wrong to disappear from your "desk" for extended periods of time simply because you are at home. If you wouldn't have gone swimming while in the office, for example, personally I don't think you should just because you can since you are home.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:20 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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No it isn't. Blaming management for lack of assignments or lack of productivity or lack of role clarity is a such a chicken shite cop out. Its crutch used by the lazy/stupid/incompetent.
This isn't college. Find something that is a problem, convert it into a non-problem, let your manager know you're handling shite, move up in the world.
Lack of productivity is the employee's fault. Lack of assignment is the manager's fault.
If the employee is supposed to assign their own work, then their manager's role is useless and should be eliminated.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:21 am to TejasHorn
WFH has turned careers into jobs. It has increased turnover, decreased employee engagement, efficiency, and more often than not, productivity.
The people who will be running companies in 15 years will simply be the ones who stuck around because they don't like change. Hopefully I'll be sunsetting my career by then and won't have to worry about that shite show.
The people who will be running companies in 15 years will simply be the ones who stuck around because they don't like change. Hopefully I'll be sunsetting my career by then and won't have to worry about that shite show.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:22 am to I20goon
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I don't see it as "micromanaging". It is a combination of 2 things:
1. in lieu of "managing by walking around", which has its merits.
2. Accountability- and that's the trade off. If a supervisor wants to do his job he must supervise. If the employee is remote that's the only way to supervise other than showing up at their house.
Are you the shift manager at McDonald's? Please tell me you aren't managing people who make more than minimum wage
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:22 am to TejasHorn
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Remote workers put in 3.5 hours less per day of work compared to in-person workers
5 hours here.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:24 am to VADawg
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their manager's role is useless and should be eliminated.
Very true for A LOT of management positions.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:24 am to GRTiger
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WFH has turned careers into jobs. It has increased turnover
Turnover has increased because there is absolutely no loyalty shown by management at most companies anymore. Employees have figured out that the only way to make more money is to change companies, because all of them will pay an external hire more than they'd pay someone being promoted from within for the same role.
If you value an employee, prove it in their paycheck. Gold stars and pats on the back are absolutely useless.
WFH allows employees to look at a broader scope of available jobs because they don't have look for jobs in a specific location anymore. I guess that part has contributed to employee turnover.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:25 am to VADawg
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Turnover has increased because there is absolutely no loyalty shown by management
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:25 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Very true for A LOT of management positions.
These are the people who are against remote working. Managers whose idea of managing is "managing by walking around"
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:25 am to VADawg
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Because in-person workers definitely don't go hide out in the shitter for 20 minutes at a time
Laughed out loud at this. Hiding in the shitter at the office while reading this.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:26 am to TejasHorn
When i did have an office job, i could legit get everything done in 3 hours at most. So i would slowly do stuff to spread stuff out all day.
That was pretty much everyone there when you really looked at it.
The truth is that most jobs are just not jam packed with work everyday. So even if they came into the office, it’s not gonna magically make more work
That was pretty much everyone there when you really looked at it.
The truth is that most jobs are just not jam packed with work everyday. So even if they came into the office, it’s not gonna magically make more work
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:27 am to imjustafatkid
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I will not ever take another job that requires me to be in the office.
I'd love to read some of the posts on this subject in the very near future when jobs are being axed due to tech.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:28 am to Fat and Happy
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The truth is that most jobs are just not jam packed with work everyday. So even if they came into the office, it’s not gonna magically make more work
And I don't like it. I get more stressed out when I don't have a full workload.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:28 am to Jcorye1
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like a hybrid two days a week approach.
This. My job just started requiring 3x days a week but I would much rather prefer 2x. Less time in your car, less time your kids have to spend at daycare, more time for family, and I actually get more done at home without the distractions.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:30 am to Jcorye1
I agree hybrid is the way to go.
But in some areas remote is perfectly fine. But you have to Micro manage a bit more with deadlines and deliverables...i love being able to work from home when needed but I still like the office setting.
But in some areas remote is perfectly fine. But you have to Micro manage a bit more with deadlines and deliverables...i love being able to work from home when needed but I still like the office setting.
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