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re: Bosses’ opinions of remote work changing quickly
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:12 am to Odysseus32
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:12 am to Odysseus32
I'll go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of companies that lease office space don't own the company that leases it to them.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:13 am to TejasHorn
Training of new employees, especially younger ones, is a huge issue that is routinely ignored by the WFH-only folks.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:16 am to StringedInstruments
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I love these threads where we bash teachers for how little they work! Oh wait, we’re talking about the corporate guys with “real” jobs.
If teachers didn't bitch all the time about how hard their job is or how little they get paid, then no one would bash them
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:25 am to Epic Cajun
Work groups that are compensated based on merit do fine remote and office
Work groups that are compensated on equity work to the lowest performance standard
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:26 am to Long Ball Larry
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dont remember giving them permission to use my picture...
Looks like you should be singing "A Song For You", and promoting your new record.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:27 am to TejasHorn
quote:The funny thing is that this is, while certainly debatable, even if we assume it to be true, it's even more so the fault of the hiring manager for hiring these people as well as(in some cases) the company responsible for not having processes in place to determine how productive someone is in their daily work whether at home or in the office.
Working from outside the office “simply isn’t as productive as office work, no matter what remote workers say. Too much evidence has piled up to credibly deny this any longer.”
quote:Riiiiight
Remote workers put in 3.5 hours less per day of work compared to in-person workers
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:31 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:Not saying there is zero merit to this but just like I said above, this can easily be neutralized if you have a company that takes training seriously and has the right people in place to make it work.
Training of new employees, especially younger ones, is a huge issue that is routinely ignored by the WFH-only folks.
I've been with my company for 1 year and all WFH, and the training process was very smooth. Training classes, and all the resources I needed in a nice format as well as access to specific people to help with specific tasks when needed who were all very timely in their responses. It worked just as smoothly as if I were in the office.
I'm sure some companies can't make this work, but I'd also argue in many situations, it's not the WFH that is the issue, but rather the people in charge of facilitating the training that aren't doing the job and being able to adapt to the changing environment accordingly to be able to be successful training WFH folks.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:32 am to Trevaylin
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Work groups that are compensated based on merit do fine remote and office
When I worked in outside sales, I lived out of my car basically during the work day.
Beats working from the house.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:33 am to I20goon
quote:If you have to catch someone in the act and don't have quality standards and measurements in place, that company has much bigger problems than WFH.
You can catch the guy playing games on his phone sitting on the toilet for an hour pretty easy at the office. It's not so easy when he's at home. You need different tactics.
Granted, they're probably not a company that would excel at WFH, but the issue isn't WFH, the issue is a company who can't manage their employees and have no clue what their employees are doing and no productivity measurements to determine if an employee is doing a good job or not other than catching them in the act of goofing off. That's not good.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:37 am to GRTiger
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I'll go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of companies that lease office space don't own the company that leases it to them.
Vast majority, sure. But it happens, and more often than you'd think. I graduated May 2022 and my first company out of school did it, and my most recent employer also did it. Two of the owners of the second company had a separate LLC where they owned a building a leased it to the actual business. Private company, no shareholders, and it was all disclosed, but it happens.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:38 am to shel311
The issue we have is not with training people to do specific tasks. It’s not hard to show someone how an excel model works on Zoom. Our issue is that our younger employees tend to stay siloed on those tasks for longer. In an office setting, younger folks are constantly overhearing their boss’ meetings, casual conversations, etc. and picking up more of an idea of broader business concerns and how the work they’re doing fits in the overall picture. That “casual” training isn’t happening remotely, and it hurts the younger employees in that they aren’t as ready to step seamlessly into new roles.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:39 am to TejasHorn
Why that dude got black fingertips?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:43 am to fallguy_1978
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The funny thing about going to the office now is that when I'm there I typically just sit on Teams meetings half the day with my door closed
Right. I am having an office day tomorrow, but half the team won’t be there, and I have two Teams meetings and a webinar.
I work an hour and a half from my office and rarely go in. If they do away with remote, they will lose a lot of people who knock out a lot of work at a time when they are struggling to hire qualified people. I dont see it happening at my company. Hope not, because then I will be looking.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:49 am to Odysseus32
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Vast majority, sure. But it happens, and more often than you'd think. I graduated May 2022 and my first company out of school did it, and my most recent employer also did it. Two of the owners of the second company had a separate LLC where they owned a building a leased it to the actual business. Private company, no shareholders, and it was all disclosed, but it happens.
We do that so when we sell the company the buyer will still have to pay us rent or move.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:04 am to TejasHorn
Some people need to babysat
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:10 am to VADawg
quote:There’s a dongle for that. Amazon. Plugs into USB, and computer treats it like a secondary mouse. It moves the pointer 1 pixel every 2 seconds or something. I mainly used it at home to keep the work computer from logging out if I went to the shitter. I’d be the only one at home but constantly logging in, connecting to VPN, etc before I found that deal. Afterwards, I had to remember to change my status at day’s end.
my mouse is idle for more than 10 minutes, my status changes to being away
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:11 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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if you’re managing data entry people or cold callers, sure
Almost every function can be held to objectively measurable goals and timelines.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:17 am to TejasHorn
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Remote workers put in 3.5 hours less per day of work compared to in-person workers
So, this boomer values work time over efficiency? No mention of production being down, only not being under his watch. Also, the "corporate man" conveniently overlooks the employee's added family life gained by not commuting.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:19 am to tide06
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Almost every function can be held to objectively measurable goals and timelines.
This is one of the shittiest things in corporate America. Its socialism. It rewards the people who are content doing the minimum and punishes those who pull weight outside of their "lane"
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:21 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
classic harvard business review article that makes just that point:
First, Let's Fire All the Managers
First, Let's Fire All the Managers
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