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The illusion of moral decline
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:29 am
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06137-x
Over the past 70 years, survey respondents worldwide have consistently said they think humanity is experiencing a decline in kindness, honesty, and other values—but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
The vast majority of 220,000 Americans surveyed between 1949 and 2019 said the state of moral values was worse at the time of being surveyed than it was before. Similar polling in 59 other countries had pretty much the same results, according to the study.
But over the same period, there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?” Some respondents even said the people in their social circles showed moral improvements between 2005 and 2020.
So, why do we yearn for the supposed good ol’ days? One theory attributes it to the brain’s rose-colored tendencies when reminiscing. Our habit of focusing on bad stuff in the present, likely aided by mass media covering more bad news than good, could also be to blame.
Over the past 70 years, survey respondents worldwide have consistently said they think humanity is experiencing a decline in kindness, honesty, and other values—but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
The vast majority of 220,000 Americans surveyed between 1949 and 2019 said the state of moral values was worse at the time of being surveyed than it was before. Similar polling in 59 other countries had pretty much the same results, according to the study.
But over the same period, there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?” Some respondents even said the people in their social circles showed moral improvements between 2005 and 2020.
So, why do we yearn for the supposed good ol’ days? One theory attributes it to the brain’s rose-colored tendencies when reminiscing. Our habit of focusing on bad stuff in the present, likely aided by mass media covering more bad news than good, could also be to blame.
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:30 am to Big_Sur
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but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
You simps believe anything.
Morality is subjective. Your study is a fraud.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:34 am to Big_Sur
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The illusion of moral decline
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:35 am to Big_Sur
What, you mean to tell me that a government grant funded "study" led by progressive fricks found that everything was just wonderfully beautiful in today's world.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:37 am to Big_Sur
I read this right after I read the "Facebook admits to lying about Covid" and the "firefighter saves a teen girl's concert dress" threads. Seeing the girl smile in front of a burned home holding a dress and seeing idiots deny that we are lied to by media is a perfect lead in to this thread....LOL
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:45 am to Big_Sur
I think you’d have to get people to agree on what morality even is for us to begin to have this discussion in earnest.
I think it’s the pursuit of the life well lived. I think this entails identifying certain virtues (such as patience, courage, etc) that when all are adhered to leads to greater societal happiness and human flourishing.
Others do not take this view and lean into more concrete sets of rules derived from consequentialist or deontological frameworks, and it makes this conversation difficult. So we really need to nail down a definition.
I think it’s the pursuit of the life well lived. I think this entails identifying certain virtues (such as patience, courage, etc) that when all are adhered to leads to greater societal happiness and human flourishing.
Others do not take this view and lean into more concrete sets of rules derived from consequentialist or deontological frameworks, and it makes this conversation difficult. So we really need to nail down a definition.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:47 am to Big_Sur
Overall, people have become less brutal and more sensible, but morality is much bigger than that.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:50 am to Big_Sur
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But over the same period, there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?”
What does this have to do with morality?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:54 am to Big_Sur
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there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?”
People are now getting killed for “disrespekt” so the numbers may be skewed
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:54 am to Big_Sur
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The illusion of moral decline
The decline is real, just look at the sex acts being performed in porn.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:56 am to Big_Sur
Well, let's assume this study is accurate.
Do you think it could possibly be that the number of people who think that it's moral to yell at someone who disagrees with you or thinks it's moral to mutilate a child who thinks they're the opposite sex has skyrocketed?
Do you think it could possibly be that the number of people who think that it's moral to yell at someone who disagrees with you or thinks it's moral to mutilate a child who thinks they're the opposite sex has skyrocketed?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:58 am to Big_Sur
quote:Because our definition and expectations of respect have declined along with the surrounding gradual decay.
But over the same period, there’s been no decline in positive answers to questions like “Were you treated with respect all day yesterday?”
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:05 am to Big_Sur
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but a peer-reviewed study published by Nature this week asserts that this perceived moral decay is just an illusion.
Lmao, sure.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:09 am to Big_Sur
I believe it. The internet is a cesspool of negativity, but if you ignore it and focus on your daily interactions with people, they are mostly positive.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:19 am to Big_Sur
article is bullshite
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:22 am to Big_Sur
Media. Blood sells papers and gets clicks.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:32 am to Big_Sur
What if I told you the people doing the study were morally bankrupt
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:44 am to Big_Sur
It's no illusion. Try this on for size: Micah and Moral Decline in a Society
Oh yes - much of it is biblical which makes it an easy target to dismiss, but there are also pearls of wisdom that are worth noting.
And yes - the narrator's midwestern accent bugs the crap out of me! But I'll overlook it.
Oh yes - much of it is biblical which makes it an easy target to dismiss, but there are also pearls of wisdom that are worth noting.
And yes - the narrator's midwestern accent bugs the crap out of me! But I'll overlook it.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:55 am to Big_Sur
Butchering infants, trying to make pedophilia socially acceptable, encouraging parents to butcher their children's private parts, legalized racism, encouraging segregation, massive uptick in sex slavery, glorifying companies running huge child labor sweatshops in third world countries, promoting the murder of law enforcement, promoting race riots as justice, putting murderers back on the streets in the name of criminal reform...
All of this is held up as righteous in today's "culture". While we've always been a highly imperfect world, trying to whitewash the ugliness as social progress is what is leading to these new polls. And if you're still drinking their "peer reviewed" kool-aid, more the fool, you. "Science" needs money too.
All of this is held up as righteous in today's "culture". While we've always been a highly imperfect world, trying to whitewash the ugliness as social progress is what is leading to these new polls. And if you're still drinking their "peer reviewed" kool-aid, more the fool, you. "Science" needs money too.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:47 am to Big_Sur
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The illusion of moral decline
The illusion is an illusion of an illusion. Impossible to define or determine.
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