Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month

I said this a year ago

Correct on all fronts.

It's time for it to end.

The biggest danger has always been a crushing defeat for Russia in a fight they see as existential. They might just bring the whole world down if they are going anyway.

Next biggest danger would have been a too easy Russian victory.

We are now on a creeping path of escalation and it's only a matter of time before they say NATO weaponry in Ukrainian hands will not be enough. It needs to be NATO weaponry in the hands of NATO soldiers.

That no one in power is even pretending to try and end this is shocking.

My hope has always been that we have some very secret talks underway designed to find a face saving way out for all parties.

At least the taxpayers would no longer be pumping money into the war. That is worth something.

No we wouldn’t. Putin is trying to challenge the US and the West. He wants the Russian Empire to become a wrecking force in the world. A Russia victory in Ukraine only makes things worse in Eastern Europe. Poland, Romania, Moldova, the Baltics, Sweden and Finland, they’ll all start to get real antsy. Some of those countries won’t wait around for Russia to invade their countries either. They’ll try and stop Russia before they cross a border. This increases the odds of an actual war being started in Eastern Europe, where we’d have no choice but to get more involved than we are right now.

I don’t understand how some of you seriously think it’s not a big deal if Russia takes half of Ukraine or all of it. History has taught us time and time again, that Europe doesn’t take kindly to an empire playing the land grab game. Things always get very ugly when this shite starts happening over there. Putin thinks it’s the 1930s and that Nazis are threatening to invade Russia again. If that’s his mindset and the narrative he’s trying to push, then we’re in for a very long next 10 years having to deal with Russia. There are major consequences that will come from this. You have to set aside your political opinions to see this for what it is.

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1) Putin is a bully and we are a bunch of COD larpers and need to see him pay!!! REEEeeee!

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Funny thing about this quote. When has anyone actually stopped Putin? Obama never lifted a finger.

I mean, is it realistically wrong for Putin to have agendas for his Nation, and people say he's wrong, all while declaring everything we do outside the US as virtous simply because it benefite Americans?

So fricking funny to watch the same Democrats that had Soldier Death Counts on CNN over the Iraq War rattle the World War 3 drum like it won't cost a damn dime.

I truly do think at this point that it would escalate things. His big problem was Ukraine looking to join NATO. He said he can’t have nato at their border. Well taking over Ukraine puts 2 actual NATO members at their door.

I would say it would kick the can down the road. Short term good for the average person before their sons and daughters get sent off to die in Poland.

There is no good scenario in this for the average American.

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Ukraine lost in the next month

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Nah, but the average American would be much better off if we weren't involved at all.

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) The elites and political class would no longer have their laundering playground to enrich themselves and do whatever the hell else they are doing their (sex trafficking, bio labs, narcotics, etc)

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You just believe whatever don't you?

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Energy and food prices would improve, as they won't be disrupted by the activity in the region

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Well wheat futures are lower than they were than they were before the invasion. Energy prices are going to be fricked for a while, as there is no easy path to reintegrating Russia into the world economy.

Sure we should just sit back and let Russia take whatever it wants...