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ST. ELMO'S FIRE
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:02 am
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:02 am
Is it just me, or is this a good movie? Where does it rank in the Brat Pack genre of films? I always liked it
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:20 am to 610man
I thought St Elmo's was the peak of the pack, especially considering the gravity of the Demi Moore/grandma? storyline/twist that made it more than a teenage/20-something drama.
I did thoroughly enjoy Bad Influence, post Rob Lowe scandal. It was the first time I ever saw Jamie Gertz and she was a knockout.
Is Breakfast Club considered part of the Brat Pack collection? If so, that was probably its best comedy.
I did thoroughly enjoy Bad Influence, post Rob Lowe scandal. It was the first time I ever saw Jamie Gertz and she was a knockout.
Is Breakfast Club considered part of the Brat Pack collection? If so, that was probably its best comedy.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:21 am to 610man
I wasn't a big fan. Frankly, the only reason that Less Than Zero is regarded slightly better is because RDJ crushed it in that latter film.
Folks didn't like the Brat Pack as adult characters nearly as much as when they were high schoolers. Plus, the writing and direction dropped off as well.
Folks didn't like the Brat Pack as adult characters nearly as much as when they were high schoolers. Plus, the writing and direction dropped off as well.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:25 am to LSUFreek
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Is Breakfast Club considered part of the Brat Pack collection?
It's the focking Godfather of the Brat Pack, with St. Elmo being Part II.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:25 am to 610man
St. Elmo's fire is peak yuppie. I can't really relate.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:33 am to LSUFreek
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Is Breakfast Club considered part of the Brat Pack collection?
I think that's as Brat Packy as it gets. Wikipedia suggests that appearance as a principal cast member in either Breakfast Club or St. Elmo's Fire is a consensus definition of brat pack membership and I tend to agree. The notable exception is Mare Winningham who isn't considered despite being a primary cast member of SEF.
Beyond these two films, it gets wild. I long thought Red Dawn should qualify, just based on themes and cast, but apparently that is relatively controversial (because it shares no cast members with Breakfast Club or St. Elmo's Fire) as is Less Than Zero which I mentioned above (although it typically makes "secondary" brat pack lists.)
Basically - tons of other movies had a pairing of "Brat Pack" actors and folks considered affiliates. The affiliates list is very controversial. Sheen (Emilio's brother), Lea Thompson, Matthew Broderick, etc., all because they appeared in so many films with primary brat packers, but their movies aren't considered brat pack (e.g. Ferris Bueller).
Even RDJ isn't considered a full-fledged member.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:23 am to 610man
I think the story is relate-able. Not the Georgetown part, but being right out of college trying to figure shite out.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 11:24 am
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:27 am to 610man
quote:Agreed.
I think the story is relate-able. Not the Georgetown part, but being right out of college trying to figure shite out.
The film came out my last year at TAMU, and I had a group of friends that bore some resemblance to that group. The film was VERY relatable to us.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:55 am to AggieHank86
the "Little Chill"
I was several years out of college but could still relate to it. I liked it.
I was several years out of college but could still relate to it. I liked it.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:09 pm to 610man
It resonated, but doesn't hold up for me. It came out the semester that I was graduating from college.
It's a fun watch, but for me it's nostalgia.
One chick we knew was trying to psychoanalyze us by asking our favorite St. Elmo's Fire character, like that was the litmus test for certain personality disorders.
The scene that hit home the most for me was Lowe's character trying to revert to his fraternity years by moving back into the frat house. We had those guys. Not just in the fraternity, but guys who wanted to come back to be an intramural sports star, or to be the big guy on the school newspaper or radio station.
It's a fun watch, but for me it's nostalgia.
One chick we knew was trying to psychoanalyze us by asking our favorite St. Elmo's Fire character, like that was the litmus test for certain personality disorders.
The scene that hit home the most for me was Lowe's character trying to revert to his fraternity years by moving back into the frat house. We had those guys. Not just in the fraternity, but guys who wanted to come back to be an intramural sports star, or to be the big guy on the school newspaper or radio station.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:30 pm to 610man
It was an okay movie, but it put me in love with Ally Sheedy.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:07 pm to 610man
Its such a strange movie for the time.
White Yuppies, graduates of freaking Georgetown in the Reaganomics era and nobody can get a good job?
Its a fun movie, especially the Mighty Duck man's story arc going after prime Andie MacDowell.
But it would be sadly trashed if it came out today as white privilege problems and all that sort of pre-Big Chill angst. Its totally a time-capsule movie. Transports you back.
White Yuppies, graduates of freaking Georgetown in the Reaganomics era and nobody can get a good job?
Its a fun movie, especially the Mighty Duck man's story arc going after prime Andie MacDowell.
But it would be sadly trashed if it came out today as white privilege problems and all that sort of pre-Big Chill angst. Its totally a time-capsule movie. Transports you back.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:04 pm to 610man
It's probably my favorite Brat Pack movie. I was in high school at the time and saw it in the theater. I thought all of them were so cool. To this day, I still know every line to the movie by heart.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:34 pm to 610man
Funniest thing about this movie was that it came out MONTHS after The Breakfast Club but shared three (3) cast members: Emilio Estevez, Ally Sheedy and Judd Nelson. In The Breakfast Club they are playing high school students, but in St. Elmo's Fire they are playing recent college grads.
The movie was meh, but looking back on it, the only decent person/character in the movie was Andie McDowell as the doctor. Judd Nelson's young yuppie was a jerk and cheater, Demi Moore was an irresponsible slutty head case having affairs with married men who also came on to the attached Rob Lowe and Judd Nelson; Rob Lowe was an immature hedonistic drunk who ignored his wife and child, Andrew McCarthy was the type of wimpy, smug misanthrope who would ash his cigarette in your dinner when you weren't looking, Emilio Estevez was a sappy dorky loser who was in over his head in everything he did; Mare Winingham was a totally unbelievable dowdy virgin but has no problem with saying yes to fooling around with the married Rob Lowe character; and Ally Sheedy's character was barely there and bland as butter, just an object of desire to Judd Nelson and Andrew McCarthy and confidant to the other two women.
The movie was meh, but looking back on it, the only decent person/character in the movie was Andie McDowell as the doctor. Judd Nelson's young yuppie was a jerk and cheater, Demi Moore was an irresponsible slutty head case having affairs with married men who also came on to the attached Rob Lowe and Judd Nelson; Rob Lowe was an immature hedonistic drunk who ignored his wife and child, Andrew McCarthy was the type of wimpy, smug misanthrope who would ash his cigarette in your dinner when you weren't looking, Emilio Estevez was a sappy dorky loser who was in over his head in everything he did; Mare Winingham was a totally unbelievable dowdy virgin but has no problem with saying yes to fooling around with the married Rob Lowe character; and Ally Sheedy's character was barely there and bland as butter, just an object of desire to Judd Nelson and Andrew McCarthy and confidant to the other two women.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 3:16 pm to 610man
It’s crazy it was released in ’85. Has always felt more recent by a few years.
Best part for me is Estevez crashing the ski lodge and ends up being consoled by MacDowell and her BF. He gets an earful on her faults but wins in his mind with the goodbye kiss, and MacDowell has a tinge of intrigue as he’s pulling away. Validating that it was worth it, versus the overly pragmatic stances on life and love by his roommate (McCarthy).
Best part for me is Estevez crashing the ski lodge and ends up being consoled by MacDowell and her BF. He gets an earful on her faults but wins in his mind with the goodbye kiss, and MacDowell has a tinge of intrigue as he’s pulling away. Validating that it was worth it, versus the overly pragmatic stances on life and love by his roommate (McCarthy).
Posted on 1/30/23 at 6:13 pm to 610man
Gooble Demi Moore hair diaper.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 6:22 pm to BRich
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Mare Winingham was a totally unbelievable dowdy virgin
I always felt that if this story took place in real life, she would never be part of a friend group like that.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 6:46 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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quote:Mare Winingham was a totally unbelievable dowdy virgin
I always felt that if this story took place in real life, she would never be part of a friend group like that.
The group itself is a kinda odd fit, especially with Billy being married with a baby, which fact stuck out like a sore thumb. I don’t recall much in the way of backstory other than some references made in dialogue.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:10 pm to Havoc
Definitely the most important and realistic part of the movie was the college bar rocking out to a 7 minute saxophone solo.
(I love this movie)
(I love this movie)
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:22 am to 610man
Not the best coming of age film, but the song is one of the best of the "movie songs" of that decade for sure. Hard to beat Danger Zone in Top Gun, might be the best of all time.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 7:23 am
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