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re: MO school district switches to 4 day week schedule due to teacher and funding shortage
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:42 pm to grsharky
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:42 pm to grsharky
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It leads to defensive teachers and people scared that if they screw up, they'll be plastered all over social media.
Parents who bitch about their kids’ teachers on Facebook are so trashy.
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:50 pm to danilo
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I know a few teachers and never heard them ever mention a union.
My first Education class was in Louisiana. The first lesson was about the two dominant unions, the AFT and the NEA. Evidently that's the most important part of teaching.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 3:01 pm to OleVaught14
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quote:starting pay for teachers begins at $41,150 If we want better teachers, at some point this is going to have to change.
Normal 40 hr week job working all year in 2080 hours.
Lets say teachers work 75% of that(Not talking coaching and other extra stuff that gets extra pay). That’s 1560 hrs per year.
$41,150/1560 = $26.38/hr
A teacher fresh out of school and doing the bare minimum teaching responsibilities makes $26.38/ hr. That’s not terrible for someone fresh out of school.
Veteran teachers in that district max out $81,713/year. Which works out to $52.38/hr. Is it really that terrible?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 3:03 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Fins also have smaller families (so a better parent to kid ratio), has a nationwide literacy rate of 99% (so parents who can read), has a population almost exclusively located in urban areas with better access to services, and their poverty rate is significantly lower than not just the US but most countries.
And everyone speaks the same language and Finland has very strict immigration laws.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 3:27 pm to OleVaught14
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starting pay for teachers begins at $41,150
If we want better teachers, at some point this is going to have to change.
I am fully on board with higher pay ... I think a School teacher should start at 52-55k but I also think there needs to be some more academics involved in academia. The amount of movies field trips events parties "artwork" is just nuts. I'll willing to pay for it but in doing so I also want more teaching
Posted on 12/16/22 at 3:29 pm to OleVaught14
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starting pay for teachers begins at $41,150
If we want better teachers, at some point this is going to have to change.
They only work 8ish months out of the year. And that's just starting pay.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 12/16/22 at 3:41 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
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Do they have teachers that only teach one day a week? How does this help a shortage
It doesn't help an overall teacher shortage in the state really, just for the districts that do that. It saves the district money, which they can then pass on in the form of teacher raises to entice teachers if needed. And if you can make the same money working 4 days rather than 5, that's a decent enticement for teachers to switch districts.
Out here in the Phoenix metro it's typically the outskirts town school districts that have done this since they are typically far away and have a long commute to get to them.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:16 pm to T
I would love to see the pay scale where they max out at $80,000. Is that only if you make it to 40 years and have a doctorate?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:21 pm to StringedInstruments
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The problem is that public schools kowtow to politics (on both sides) that are detrimental to teacher performance and student learning outcomes. No amount of money will solve those problems.
Both sides? That hasn’t been my experience - and I’m in a fairly conservative district.
DIE principles, CRT, and the alphabet people are influencing policy more than anything else, and it isn’t even close. “Both sides” rings hollow when compared to the reality of the circumstances.
Kids are allowed to act like assholes, and that is what is running teachers off...end of discussion.
ETA - The district that I live in does a good job of discipline on the back end (expulsions). The issue is that students that used to be in an alternative setting are now just settled from school to school until they frick up enough to be expelled. Sadly, some of those incidents are violent (either against another student or even faculty).
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:23 pm to Ignignokt
We need a military option for shitty kids to go to
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:26 pm to T
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Veteran teachers in that district max out $81,713/year. Which works out to $52.38/hr. Is it really that terrible?
Money wise - no.
Then again, there is stuff like this to deal with...
ETA - If that student has “special needs,” or is a “student with exceptionalities,” then he may have had no consequences for assaulting the teacher.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:32 pm to StringedInstruments
Does it really matter? They all pass regardless if they learn a damn thing
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:47 pm to Cracker
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They all pass regardless if they learn a damn thing
In large urban districts, that is most certainly the norm. Elsewhere, not so much. Per Chicken’s request, I will stay out of the politics of that circumstance.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:58 pm to StringedInstruments
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The problem is that public schools kowtow to politics (on both sides)
Can you elaborate on how this is a both sides issue
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:44 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Can you elaborate on how this is a both sides issue
One side is all in on “school accountability.”
This issue is that the mechanism in place to measure that (testing / student growth) is severely flawed.
For example:
A student must pass a “high stakes test” in either Subject A, or Subject B.
Subject A is given when students are Sophomores.
Subject B is given when they are Juniors.
The issue is that if a student passes Subject A, then they don’t give two fricks about passing Subject B.
Why is this an issue?
Because the teacher that covers Subject B is “graded” based on how well the students perform on the high stakes test.
It is a moronic set up.
Additionally, if 80% of all incoming Freshmen don’t graduate, then the school gets dinged.
This has created an atmosphere where behavior gets overlooked because expulsions count against your school rating.
As frustrating as this bullshite is, the stuff I mentioned earlier is even more frustrating (much more so in all actuality).
Just my .02.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:51 pm to grizzlylongcut
Sure I will, school administrators and boards will bow down to whoever yells the loudest. They’ll cave to a right wing group this week on an issue, and then reverse it next week when a left wing group starts yelling.
I have yet to see any of the CRT or trans issues that get so much publicity, in fact none of the schools in our area have had that. However, we’re feeling the crunch of the teacher shortage, and again it comes back to lack of respect, standardized testing, and just the stupid things admin and the state makes you do that don’t make you any better of a teacher.
Back in the 90s when I was a student at the school I teach at, when there was an elementary opening, they would get well over a 100 applications. Now they get maybe 10. Teachers weren’t making huge money then either, it’s everything else that’s changed.
This year is the first time I’ve seriously considered leaving. I love teaching high school history, but I feel seriously burned out. Every day feels like a fight and it’s draining man.
I have yet to see any of the CRT or trans issues that get so much publicity, in fact none of the schools in our area have had that. However, we’re feeling the crunch of the teacher shortage, and again it comes back to lack of respect, standardized testing, and just the stupid things admin and the state makes you do that don’t make you any better of a teacher.
Back in the 90s when I was a student at the school I teach at, when there was an elementary opening, they would get well over a 100 applications. Now they get maybe 10. Teachers weren’t making huge money then either, it’s everything else that’s changed.
This year is the first time I’ve seriously considered leaving. I love teaching high school history, but I feel seriously burned out. Every day feels like a fight and it’s draining man.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 3:35 pm to grsharky
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I have yet to see any of the CRT or trans issues that get so much publicity, in fact none of the schools in our area have had that.
It is 100% happening. Perhaps not sanctioned by the district, but it is happening.
Besides, DEI is just the the mechanism that is being used to allow for CRT, tacitly or overtly.
Lastly, both of these are tied to disciplinary measures imho.
ETA
50 employees just recently quit in a Florida district. Here is how DEI / CRT proponents responded at the subsequent school board meeting:
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Several speakers criticized Ivey at Thursday’s meeting, and highlighted that suspensions are meted out in disproportionately high numbers to black students.
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Another speaker said the district should emphasize diversity, equity and inclusion in any new behavior code.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 5:58 pm to grsharky
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This year is the first time I’ve seriously considered leaving. I love teaching high school history, but I feel seriously burned out. Every day feels like a fight and it’s draining man.
It’s all through our faculty, as I mentioned. As Jimmy the leg pointed out, practically everything that’s done from state department on down to evaluate the success of schools/teachers is extremely flawed.
It really boils down to the biggest thing, though. The kids are allowed to be gigantic assholes, and they know it. There’s no consequence that can be given that affects them at all. We are limited to lunch detention (don’t care), in-school suspension (don’t care, some would prefer it), and out of school suspension (they actually prefer this). Expulsions only occur in near felony situations. No one with any sense of self worth wants to put up with that every day.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 6:09 pm to Wtodd
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2 - eliminate the Dept of Ed and let the states take care of their educational decisions.
Dept of Ed has little to nothing to do with the administration of state level K-12 education, Mr I do my research by social media posts I like best.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 6:16 pm to Volvagia
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Dept of Ed has little to nothing to do with the administration of state level K-12 education, Mr I do my research by social media posts I like best.
They are the ones that determine preferred policy concerning “Special Education” aka SWE (Students With Exceptionalities). The states can lose federal funding by going their own route. In short, they are to public education what the CDC was / is to Covid lockdowns and masking.
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