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re: MO school district switches to 4 day week schedule due to teacher and funding shortage
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:14 am to GetCocky11
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:14 am to GetCocky11
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A steady, well paying government job? Yes, it would attract the talent.
But it sucks. Most schools have really, really shitty situations. There’s a thread on the 1st page that has people celebrating the surprise story where the admin wasn’t fired for defending himself during an assault.
I just don’t think quality talent would eschew being an engineer, nurse practitioner, or corporate executive to deal with that even if the salary was comparable.
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:17 am to StringedInstruments
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managing the social and emotional damage that many kids bring to the table?
This is why public school education is failing. Parents are abdicating their responsibility and foisting it upon the schools.
They then blame the schools when their children go bad. It is not a school’s responsibility to provide counseling and therapy to correct bad, or absent parenting.
Private schools don’t have this problem because they can simply refuse admission to problematic children. They are then enrolled in public schools where they interact with poor students who have had even poorer parenting.
Damaged children are disastrous for the public educational process. They should be removed from the classroom and their parents should be told they’ll have to home school them.
This puts the burden on the parent, who is responsible for the problem in the first place. We know they won’t but the result will be the same. Those kids will become criminals or the dregs of society.
On the plus side, teachers will be able to teach and students will be able to learn.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:19 am to OleVaught14
quote:Agreed, but we also need to make it a more selective field and give them more control of the kids from a discipline standpoint while they are in their care.
If we want better teachers, at some point this is going to have to change
School should also switch to a more year round situation with a shorter summer and longer winter and spring holidays.
frick teaching if you have to put up with kids who are little assholes and you can’t do anything about it.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:19 am to StringedInstruments
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disagree with this idea that pay will solve the problems in education unless you’re talking about significantly raising teacher pay to numbers that build wealth.
Yeah, as a high school science teacher myself,it's all the bullshite side stuff that's driving people out of teaching (though the low pay doesn't help).
For example, my old district I left after last school year instituted a change where a portion of our pay (301 money for hitting certain goals) was now tied to student grades. So you needed like 90% at a C or higher to get full funds, 80%. For 75% pay, 70% for half pay, and below that you get squat.
So basically if your students slack off and do jack crap you are stuck in a spot where you either keep your integrity and lose money or sell out and change grades to get your money. Either way the students and society as a whole loses.
My old high school lost their entire science department except for the two crappiest teachers that all the students hated, and weren't able to replace them (have long term subs in all of the positions) mostly due to stupid policies and changes throwing everything on the teachers.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:27 am to tigerinthebueche
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cited burnout weak people people go into the teaching profession. Not surprising they lack the stamina to stick with their choice quote: , a lack of respect a direct result of the policies and values they themselves endorse and propagate. They coddle students and demand nothing. Then they're shocked when parents nor students respect them. LOL quote: and low compensation as reasons for leaving. they chose a profession with notoriously low wages and do little to nothing to solicit support for wage improvements. Boo hoo. Educators created this shite show, continue to promote it, and are suffering from it. I have no sympathy for them
Is there a conservative version of word “woke”? Whatever that word is describes this idiot.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:27 am to tigergirl10
Teachers are big on pointing out that they work some nights and weekends. Big deal, a lot of salaried employees do. If you bring up the time off in the summer, they are quick to tell you they aren’t paid for that. So when they quote the starting pay as per year they’re not telling the truth. The $41,000 starting pay is for 9 months of work. If they work 12 months at the same salary, it would be $54,000 a year.
Many are drawn to the profession because of the time off. Once in it, they buy into all the pay and overtime talking points.
Many are drawn to the profession because of the time off. Once in it, they buy into all the pay and overtime talking points.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:30 am to tigerinthebueche
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Weak people people go into the teaching profession. Not surprising they lack the stamina to stick with their choice.
What an ignorant, lazy assed response. My background is manufacturing and labor. Sawmills, logging, and roofing. I went into the field of teaching to give something back. Stamina to stick with anything is not an issue I assure you. Are there some pusses around? Sure, just like any other vocation.
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A direct result of the policies and values they themselves endorse and propagate. They coddle students and demand nothing. Then they're shocked when parents nor students respect them. LOL.
I think you meant to say policies and requirements heaped on us by legislative bodies who have no connection to a classroom. Or maybe in a union state/district.
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They chose a profession with notoriously low wages and do little to nothing to solicit support for wage improvements. Boo hoo. Educators created this shite show, continue to promote it, and are suffering from it. I have no sympathy for them.
If teachers in Texas elect to sign on with a low paying district that is on them. Many districts start @ 65k+ with paid insurance and benefits.
Pick a Sonic!
Weak people people go into the teaching profession. Not surprising they lack the stamina to stick with their choice.
What an ignorant, lazy assed response. My background is manufacturing and labor. Sawmills, logging, and roofing. I went into the field of teaching to give something back. Stamina to stick with anything is not an issue I assure you. Are there some pusses around? Sure, just like any other vocation.
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A direct result of the policies and values they themselves endorse and propagate. They coddle students and demand nothing. Then they're shocked when parents nor students respect them. LOL.
I think you meant to say policies and requirements heaped on us by legislative bodies who have no connection to a classroom. Or maybe in a union state/district.
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They chose a profession with notoriously low wages and do little to nothing to solicit support for wage improvements. Boo hoo. Educators created this shite show, continue to promote it, and are suffering from it. I have no sympathy for them.
If teachers in Texas elect to sign on with a low paying district that is on them. Many districts start @ 65k+ with paid insurance and benefits.
Pick a Sonic!
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:30 am to tigergirl10
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You don’t know what you’re talking about. Teachers do a lot of work after school, on the weekends, and in the summer that they don’t get paid for. Try sitting in a classroom sometime.
wrong!
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:32 am to StringedInstruments
The counties on either side of mine both have 4 day school weeks. What they don't tell you is the teachers work 5 days and kids behind in school or with disciplinary issues have to attend 5 days a week as well.
It saves on average about $200K annually in transportation costs for the districts.
It saves on average about $200K annually in transportation costs for the districts.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:32 am to StringedInstruments
4 day work week and school in our future hopwfully 
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:32 am to StringedInstruments
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Also, if teacher pay now is so bad that it’s contributing to poor teacher performance in schools, then we should be be able to point to a time when education was adequate and see a correlation with high teacher pay. I bet that doesn’t exist.
Not that long ago being a teacher was a comfortable middle class life. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find suitable living arrangements and quality of life on $42k a year in most of the country. At this point you'd make more being a secretary.
At the current salary, you have probably 5% of teachers who love what they would do and would do it at any salary level because it's truly their calling. And 95% back into it because they can't find anything else.
Would increasing the salary solve all the problems? Of course not. But there's has to be a spot where we can at least get to 50% of teachers are truly good at their job and enjoy it. How many great teachers are we loosing because they can't afford to live on a teachers salary? I'd bet a lot.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:39 am to auyushu
Oh, we also need to abolish No Child Left Behind and allow teachers and schools to expel students far more efficiently.
Transition them to other disciplinary schools and put them into trades.
Catering to the lowest common denominator needs to end.
Transition them to other disciplinary schools and put them into trades.
Catering to the lowest common denominator needs to end.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:42 am to GetCocky11
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A steady, well paying government job? Yes, it would attract the talent.
If I want a steady well paying government job I can be a forest ranger. Then I'd only have to risk being mauled by bears instead of feral teenagers.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:42 am to Scruffy
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Oh, we also need to abolish No Child Left Behind and allow teachers and schools to expel students far more efficiently.
The reality is you don't even have to expel them. You can still meet the compulsory education component by handing them a log-in/password and telling their parent they're now part of an online alternative program. Would save districts a ton of money and I'm sure there's some part-time retired teachers that wouldn't mind teaching those classes virtually.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:44 am to Scruffy
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Oh, we also need to abolish No Child Left Behind and allow teachers and schools to expel students far more efficiently.
We also need to cut school budgets, and kill off administration.
School budgets outweigh municipal budgets in many cities. We spend more than almost any other nation, with far worse results.
They don't deserve more money.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:48 am to Floyd Dawg
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The counties on either side of mine both have 4 day school weeks
Kids in Finland spend about 20 hours a week in school with far better results, and less money.
The only nations that spend more money per student than the USA are tiny nations with very small populations. Our system is worthless.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:50 am to OleVaught14
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Not that long ago being a teacher was a comfortable middle class life. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find suitable living arrangements and quality of life on $42k a year in most of the country. At this point you'd make more being a secretary.
That’s starting salary. Outside of a few specialized professions, what careers pay a lot more than that to first year employees with a bachelors degree? Don’t forget the benefits and pension.
My wife and I are hitting our late thirties. We make a combined $140k. It’s good money and I have plenty of time for life outside of work. That’s two master’s degrees and about 14 years of experience.
Sure, there are other professions with a higher ceiling, but most states and districts pay an adequate salary.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:52 am to StringedInstruments
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but most states and districts pay an adequate salary.
Pretty cushy gig here if you have a few years experience. I know kindergarten teachers making 80k+
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Kids in Finland spend about 20 hours a week in school with far better results, and less money.
Well kids in Finland have a less diverse student body, parents who give a shite, and (probably) higher expectations put on them.
You are correct about our system being worthless.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:59 am to Scruffy
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Oh, we also need to abolish No Child Left Behind and allow teachers and schools to expel students far more efficiently. Transition them to other disciplinary schools and put them into trades. Catering to the lowest common denominator needs to end
This 100% needs to happen. The vast majority of the issues we have in education right now tie into this in one way or another.
But a bunch of tort reform related issues need to be fixed to go along with that, because schools are doing a bunch of idiotic stuff due to fear of lawsuits. Particularly when it comes to IEP students, and they give out IEPs for everything these days.
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