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Falling bullet
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:30 pm
Article in local news tells the story of a guy inside of a Dollar General that supposedly was hit from a bullet falling through the roof. Bloodied his hand up pretty good but implied he was lucky it didn’t hit him in the head and kill him. Hard for me to believe that a falling bullet would penetrate a roof and still have enough force to break the skin. I would think the terminal velocity of a bullet would be quit slow especially after passing through an insulated metal roof.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:40 pm to highcotton2
If you drop a penny off the Empire State Building it would crush a dump truck or so I was told in 4th grade.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:42 pm to highcotton2
Yeah that seems pretty odd, but one of my biggest pet peeves are people who shoot high powered rifles into the air. Very stupid thing to do.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:48 pm to highcotton2
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I would think the terminal velocity of a bullet would be quit slow especially after passing through an insulated metal roof.
If it was a nearly straight up and down path. If the bullet followed a more parabolic trajectory then much more energy would be retained. I've found bullets embedded in house roofs, some nearly though the decking and that certainly would have been bad hit to person's skull.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:51 pm to Clames
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If the bullet followed a more parabolic trajectory then much more energy would be retained.
If it hit him from the ceiling one would think it was falling straight down.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:40 am to highcotton2
For it to fall straight down through a roof it would have to be shot from roughly the same location where it landed. So unless someone was on/in that dollar general yeeting bullets 90° to the earth then it was someone potentially miles away depending on caliber. Hell a wimpy 9mm shot at 45° will travel 2 miles before hitting the ground, with a .308 being able to travel 3-4 miles.
A bullet shot at ANY angle that isn't 90° will retain some forward momentum in addition to terminal velocity. You only need 59 ft/lbs to be lethal. For a 115gr 9mm round that is about 500fps, or about 1/2-1/3 muzzle velocity. Look I'm not gonna do the calculus for bullet ballistics at 530am but I think you get the point.
The facts are that a moderately sized handgun or rifle fired into the air a mile away at a decently high angle could still possess enough kinetic energy to punch a hole through a paper thin dollar general metal roof and cut someone's hand. Its not a physica issue, it's just pure luck that a bullet hit ole boy.
A bullet shot at ANY angle that isn't 90° will retain some forward momentum in addition to terminal velocity. You only need 59 ft/lbs to be lethal. For a 115gr 9mm round that is about 500fps, or about 1/2-1/3 muzzle velocity. Look I'm not gonna do the calculus for bullet ballistics at 530am but I think you get the point.
The facts are that a moderately sized handgun or rifle fired into the air a mile away at a decently high angle could still possess enough kinetic energy to punch a hole through a paper thin dollar general metal roof and cut someone's hand. Its not a physica issue, it's just pure luck that a bullet hit ole boy.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:47 am to Clames
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If it was a nearly straight up and down path
Agreed. Has to parabolic or a "ballistic trajectory" to be really damaging.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:20 am to Tridentds
I remember in BR in the early 2000’s a girl was killed on New Year’s Eve from a bullet that was fired into the air. I’ll try to find an article. I remember thinking “damn the bad luck”
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:44 am to highcotton2
Hmm. After reading the article, it sounds like people just making a dumb guess. No bullet was found. And a bullet falling down, or almost straight down, wouldn't even go through the hanging tiles inside the building, let alone the actual roof, and then bloody his hand up. Something else happened.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 6:45 am
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:50 am to highcotton2
Thought I read some time ago that some country, capital, or large city at NY's they go outside and shoot guns in the air with more than 10 people getting killed because of this.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:10 am to REB BEER
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I remember in BR in the early 2000’s a girl was killed on New Year’s Eve from a bullet that was fired into the air. I’ll try to find an article. I remember thinking “damn the bad luck”
This is the one I remember, made national news, and was during the time me and my friends frequented New Orleans.
Boston Tourist Killed in New Orleans by Stray Bullet
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:45 am to Teague
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And a bullet falling down, or almost straight down, wouldn't even go through the hanging tiles inside the building, let alone the actual roof, and then bloody his hand up. Something else happened.
Are you sure?
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A .30-06 cartridge will go 10,000 feet high and take 58 seconds to come back down
A 9 mm will go 4000 feet and take 37 seconds to come back down.
LINK
Then use this calculator: Free Fall calculator
9mm would be traveling 504 ft/sec
30-06 would be traveling 802 ft/sec
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:57 am to highcotton2
That is weird but a lot of the old DG buildings are just prefab steel buildings with a little insulation on top of some drop cieling tiles, so there ain't much to slow it down. I've even seen some that don't even have drop ceilings in them.
Some of the newer DG buildings are more than just a prefab building. I'd like to see what kind this place was.
Some of the newer DG buildings are more than just a prefab building. I'd like to see what kind this place was.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:04 am to deeprig9
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If you drop a penny off the Empire State Building it would crush a dump truck or so I was told in 4th grade.
Pennies hit their terminal velocity at approximately 50'. That works out to be about 25 mph...
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:14 am to Motorboat
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LINK
Then use this calculator: Free Fall calculator
9mm would be traveling 504 ft/sec
30-06 would be traveling 802 ft/sec
Actually, this is the correct calculator: Free Fall with Air Resistance
The bullet would reach terminal velocity, assuming it is shot high enough. This is the velocity where air drag force (air friction) is equal to gravitation acceleration.
According to this article Free Falling Bullet, a 30 caliber bullet has a terminal velocity of around 250-290 fps (150-200 mph). So, that is still potentially enough kinetic energy to break skin & enter the body, but it is unlikely it would penetrate sheet metal (and likely roof insulation) and still have deadly kinetic energy.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:00 am to Motorboat
the article sez the Free Fall velocity does not incorporate wind resistance
You need their terminal velocity calculator for a true speed
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:49 am to highcotton2
Dad has found at least one bullet on the floor of the airplane hanger that came through the roof and insulation. Larger caliber.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:59 am to sta4ever
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one of my biggest pet peeves are people who shoot high powered rifles into the air
Who does this? I don't think I've ever seen anyone shoot a high powered rifle into the air
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:37 pm to jchamil
In the hood, on NYE (and other not so special occasions), it happens a lot. There are a lot of non-thinkers out there who own rifles.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:44 pm to SloaneRanger
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In the hood, on NYE (and other not so special occasions), it happens a lot.
I know it does with hand guns, I guess I just didn't realize high powered rifles were very popular in the hood
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