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re: A little nugget about this same sex marriage bill
Posted on 11/29/22 at 7:59 pm to mikeybates
Posted on 11/29/22 at 7:59 pm to mikeybates
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Laws have all sorts of unintended consequences, unless specific language is included to prevent those consequences.
Yes and the amendment that was agreed to in this bill helps protect against that. The hypothetical consequences you’re talking about aren’t related to this bill and in fact, are already possible even without this bill.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 8:01 pm
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:29 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The hypothetical consequences you’re talking about aren’t related to this bill and in fact, are already possible even without this bill.
You do not think putting interracial marriage and gay marriage right beside each other will have long term consequences? This isn’t about forcing churches to comply. That’s a longer game. This is about making it easier to come down on individual Christian business owners as well as church adjacent organizations. If this wasn’t the democrats intent they would have had no issue with the Lee amendment.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
what benefit does a church obtain through tax exempt status. I have never known a for profit church. Almost all consider themselves successful if income matches cash outflow. so it's not an organization income tax credit of any consequence.
Very few donors give enough to have an impact on their personal tax return, so there would seem to be little tax exempt status purpose there
Church staff all get w-2's and have to file their own returns .
Why does a church want tax exempt status?
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:01 pm to Trevaylin
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what benefit does a church obtain through tax exempt status
it makes individual donations to the church tax deductible.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:17 pm to Eli Goldfinger
The legal questions around this bill have nothing to do with whether gay marriage is a good idea or whether anyone's tax status is affected or whether states have to recognize gay marriages from other states.
The legal question is whether the federal government has any legal authority to define or regulate marriage.
The answer is that the federal government has no legal authority to define or regulate marriage. The Tenth Amendment limits the power of the federal government to on those powers specifically enumerated to the federal government: Amendment X provides "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Art. I section 8 enumerates the powers delegated to the federal government by the states. (Remember, the states created the federal government, not vice versa). Please go read Art. I section 8, but there is nothing which gives the federal government the authority to do what it is trying to do in the "Abuse" of Marriage Act.
And that's why Justice Thomas called into question in his concurring opinion in Dobbs case (which overturned Roe v. Wade) the authority of the court to manufacture "rights" which the federal government had no authority to define.
The legal question is whether the federal government has any legal authority to define or regulate marriage.
The answer is that the federal government has no legal authority to define or regulate marriage. The Tenth Amendment limits the power of the federal government to on those powers specifically enumerated to the federal government: Amendment X provides "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Art. I section 8 enumerates the powers delegated to the federal government by the states. (Remember, the states created the federal government, not vice versa). Please go read Art. I section 8, but there is nothing which gives the federal government the authority to do what it is trying to do in the "Abuse" of Marriage Act.
And that's why Justice Thomas called into question in his concurring opinion in Dobbs case (which overturned Roe v. Wade) the authority of the court to manufacture "rights" which the federal government had no authority to define.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:27 pm to compscitiger
I have done the finance committee church work at several different churches in texas and Louisiana. Except for a couple individuals in each congregation, not enough donations exist to make an impact on tax returns.
It may be time to tell the fed to get out of the church
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:32 pm to TigeeDaleC
This bill isnt giving the federal government any new powers or authority over marriage. A state has to legalize the marriage first. This bill is about full faith and credit.
Marriage, in the civil sense, is a legal contract. This bill requires states to recognize the legal and valid contract of another state.
Marriage, in the civil sense, is a legal contract. This bill requires states to recognize the legal and valid contract of another state.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:40 pm to the_truman_shitshow
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Can you please cite the specific language in the bill that states thusly?
This post was edited on 11/17 at 1:18 pm
you are the 3rd poster to ask. one was very early on.
interesting how some fake news gets reposted two days later after the baloney sandwich is found out. Fox tv quotes wsj. 2 days later wsj retracts on page 8. Fox never corrects.
if this is still a thing tomorrow ill look into it.
or you can.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:44 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Religions already refuse to marry couples who aren't "right" with the religion. Is this different?
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:50 pm to TigerAxeOK
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But I'm just a conspiracy theorist.
You overestimate yourself.
For example ,
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Therefore, IRS > US Constitution.
That there was a completely mindless post.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 10:04 pm to CelticDog
quote:It is how things are done.quote:You are the 3rd poster to ask
Can you please cite the specific language in the bill that states thusly?
1. Lie
2. Ignore requests for proof
3. Wait a few days
4. Repeat
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 5:03 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 10:13 pm to AggieHank86
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1. Lie 2. Ignore requests for proof 3. Wait a few says 4. Repeat
Sounds like you when you try to tell me what I believe.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 5:59 am to CommieTiger
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It's funny how fast misinformation spreads in the right wing...
Well, that is hilarious.
The left spread misinformation all the time and it spreads like wildfire.
I recently had a discussion with a very intelligent well informed guy who is a centrist, and he quoted like 3 or 4 recent lies spread by the left before the election.
When he looked it up, he was stunned that I was correct. He didn't understand how he was incorrect.
I said main stream media.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:10 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Does a Church, given the right to have marriage legally recognized, derive rights, status, or benefit from marriage? How about wedding planners, wedding cake bakers, etc., do they derive benefit from marriage?
provided such benefit, status, or right does not arise from a marriage.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 6:29 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:20 am to AggieHank86
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It is how things are done.
1. Lie
2. Ignore requests for proof
3. Wait a few days
4. Repeat
Please enlighten us with your 3 top, go-to, unbiased, unimpeachable Media Sources, oh enlightened one.
We eagerly await your answer.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:25 am to CommieTiger
Willful ignorance. It's the backbone of right-wing rhetoric and policy. It is the only feasible explanation as to their rejection of fact-based reality.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:39 am to quickesst
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Willful ignorance. It's the backbone of right-wing rhetoric and policy.
unless you are being sarcastic here. Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:46 am to quickesst
quote:Yeah.
Willful ignorance. It's the backbone of right-wing rhetoric and policy.
Turns out Trump did pay hookers to pee on Obama's bed, Trump colluded with Russia, Hunter's laptop actually was Russian disinformation, Officer Sicknick died from a J6 head injury inflicted by protestors, and COVID came from Bat Soup.
Does that about sum it up?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:37 am to AggieHank86
That saw cuts both ways. Mickey is definitively declaring this the cleanest bill ever without linking any language from it either.
Its all just a pissing contest.
Its all just a pissing contest.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:39 am to quickesst
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Willful ignorance. It's the backbone of right-wing rhetoric and policy. It is the only feasible explanation as to their rejection of fact-based reality.
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