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So if we legalize ALL drugs and end the "War on Drugs" today, how long....
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:29 am
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:29 am
Before America becomes a crime-free Utopia?
A week?
A month?
A year?
Sorry, but I think most people who believe that "legalizing it" will make a major change in this country are keyboard warriors with no real-life experience in the drug world.
Trust me, whitey, nothing will change.
The fiends and the people that supply them will simply move on to something else.
A week?
A month?
A year?
Sorry, but I think most people who believe that "legalizing it" will make a major change in this country are keyboard warriors with no real-life experience in the drug world.
Trust me, whitey, nothing will change.
The fiends and the people that supply them will simply move on to something else.
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:41 am to oogabooga68
It may have wound up different before the opioid epidemic, but that has changed things. People smoking a doobie in their backyards on a Friday night aren't the issue, it's people getting hooked on opioids then selling their souls to and for it.
In any meaningful way, the major cities of the Left Coast have legalized all drugs and we see the results.
I don't think the "War on (soft) Drugs" is the answer any longer, I think we need to move toward some sort of mass incarceration for homeless addicts whose families aren't willing/able to care for them. There's really no other way to deal with it.
I also like the idea I heard floated recently of charging anyone dealing anything laced with fentanyl with attempted murder. I wouldn't mind seeing that adapted a bit to include that any of their "customers" who died from fentanyl poisoning mandates a first degree murder charge with an automatic death row sentence.
In any meaningful way, the major cities of the Left Coast have legalized all drugs and we see the results.
I don't think the "War on (soft) Drugs" is the answer any longer, I think we need to move toward some sort of mass incarceration for homeless addicts whose families aren't willing/able to care for them. There's really no other way to deal with it.
I also like the idea I heard floated recently of charging anyone dealing anything laced with fentanyl with attempted murder. I wouldn't mind seeing that adapted a bit to include that any of their "customers" who died from fentanyl poisoning mandates a first degree murder charge with an automatic death row sentence.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:45 am to Bard
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In any meaningful way, the major cities of the Left Coast have legalized all drugs and we see the results.
Agreed.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:52 am to oogabooga68
Legalized the use, but are hard drugs being manufactured legally? I think the idea is that it would be manufactured eventually by entities that would make it uniform and eventually in safer forms. I don’t know what would happen but it seems plausible that drug prohibition could be seen the way alcohol prohibition is in the future. Hard drugs being made by criminals doesn’t seem to be the answer.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:00 pm to Bard
Its been so successful we might as well continue lol
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:01 pm to Sip_Tyga
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make it uniform and eventually in safer forms.
I.e., "watered down".
Which will simply lead to the Black Market producing "better" drugs for junkies.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:03 pm to oogabooga68
We all saw what the legalization of heroin did.
Aka Oxy 80’s green demon.
Aka Oxy 80’s green demon.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:15 pm to oogabooga68
This isn’t obvious to me. I think it would take some time but I think users would prefer uniform and predictable drugs, maybe stronger but don’t know why legal manufacturers wouldn’t be able to provide that.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:16 pm to oogabooga68
There has never been a war on drugs.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:18 pm to oogabooga68
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The fiends
You mean LEO and local governments?
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and the people that supply them
Citizens?
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will simply move on to something else.
They already have: human trafficking. This is the new threat that government is using to steal property via asset forfeiture b/c the drug gravy train is ending.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:22 pm to oogabooga68
Government issued Soma is the answer. A gram is better than a damn.
Seriously though, Americans love drugs and the way the war on drugs has been prosecuted has been a failure for decades now. So I dont know what the answer is but how we have been conducting enforcement, punishemnt, rehab, and prevention is not working.
Seriously though, Americans love drugs and the way the war on drugs has been prosecuted has been a failure for decades now. So I dont know what the answer is but how we have been conducting enforcement, punishemnt, rehab, and prevention is not working.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:31 pm to oogabooga68
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The fiends and the people that supply them will simply move on to something else.
Guns, ammo, tobacco, women and children for starters. Drug dealing scum ain't gonna get regular jobs.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:31 pm to oogabooga68
Do you only support freedom and personal responsibility if it results in a crime-free utopia?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:18 pm to Strannix
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Its been so successful we might as well continue lol
That should be Gavin Newsom's 2024 campaign motto.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:22 pm to oogabooga68
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The fiends and the people that supply them will simply move on to something else.
No they won't. You don't really think the government can compete with free enterprise for anything, do you? If an ounce of weed from illicit distributors is $150.00, it's going to be $300.00 from the government.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:25 pm to BeepNode
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personal responsibility
IF this were applied across the board, I would be for the legalization of ALL drugs today... The problem is, it will not be and we will find ourselves in a worse position that we currently are...
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:32 pm to The Maj
I support freedom so long as you don't harm or steal from others. Do all the drugs you want. You steal or harm another person then that is still illegal.
Sugary foods are an expensive thing for society to deal with in terms of health and yet nobody is suggesting we make junk food illegal. We need to get out of this mindset that we gotta control peoples lives for their own good.
Sugary foods are an expensive thing for society to deal with in terms of health and yet nobody is suggesting we make junk food illegal. We need to get out of this mindset that we gotta control peoples lives for their own good.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:42 pm to oogabooga68
Because not legalizing is going to make crime go down? All we’ve done is make the drug lords south of us and the countries south of us more violent. Then 10s of millions of people come here to escape it.
I just think we need to spend more resources in violence, not grannny smoking pot.
And get rid of narcan so the idiots that shoot up just die.
I just think we need to spend more resources in violence, not grannny smoking pot.
And get rid of narcan so the idiots that shoot up just die.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:47 pm to oogabooga68
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Sorry, but I think most people who believe that "legalizing it" will make a major change in this country are keyboard warriors with no real-life experience in the drug world.
So what's your experience in the drug world?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:51 pm to oogabooga68
I'll never agree to legalization of drugs. It's a recipe for disaster.
Don't take my word for it though
The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact
Volume 8, September 2021
Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program
Copyright and License information Disclaimer
The Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (RMHIDTA) program has published annual reports every year since 2013 tracking the impact of legalizing recreational marijuana in Colorado. The purpose is to provide data and information so that policy makers and citizens can make informed decisions on the issue of marijuana legalization.1
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Section I: Traffic Fatalities & Impaired Driving
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths where drivers tested positive for marijuana increased 138% while all Colorado traffic deaths increased 29%.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths involving drivers who tested positive for marijuana more than doubled from 55 in 2013 to 131 people killed in 2020.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, the percentage of all Colorado traffic deaths involving drivers who tested positive for marijuana increased from 11% in 2013 to 20% in 2020.
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Section II: Marijuana Use
Past month marijuana use (ages 12 and older) increased 26% and is 61% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month adult marijuana use (ages 18 and older) increased 20% and is 62% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month college age marijuana use (ages 18–25) increased 10% and is 53% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month youth marijuana use (ages 12–17) decreased 22% and is 39% higher than the national average, currently ranked 7th in the nation.
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Section III: Public Health
Marijuana-only exposures increased 185% from 2013 when recreational marijuana was legalized compared to 2020.
Treatment for marijuana use for all ages decreased 34% from 2013 to 2020.
The percent of suicide incidents in which toxicology results were positive for marijuana has increased from 14% in 2013 to 29% in 2020.
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Section IV: Black Market
RMHIDTA Colorado Drug Task Forces (10) conducted 294 investigations of black market marijuana in Colorado resulting in:
168 felony arrests
5.54 tons of marijuana seized
86,502 marijuana plants seized
21 different states the marijuana was destined
Seizures of marijuana reported to the El Paso Intelligence Center in Colorado increased 48% from an average of 174 parcels (2009–2012) when marijuana was commercialized to an average of 257 parcels (2013–2020) during the time recreational marijuana became legalized.
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Section V: Societal Impact
Marijuana tax revenue represent approximately 0.98% of Colorado’s FY 2020 budget.
66% of local jurisdictions in Colorado have banned medical and recreational marijuana businesses.
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Footnotes
Medical and recreational marijuana legalization is destroying the health and social fabric of Colorado. Suicide, overdoses, ER visits, hospitalizations, and domestic and street violence due to cannabis are soaring while cannabis tax revenues are an anemic 0.98% of the 2021 state budget. Tax revenues are dwarfed by the Centennial State’s cost for law enforcement, automobile and industrial accidents, and increased school crime. Missouri must keep recreational marijuana from being legalized in 2022.
Do people push for legalization so they can do drugs?
I'm sure it's just a coincidence though /s
Don't take my word for it though
The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact
Volume 8, September 2021
Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Program
Copyright and License information Disclaimer
The Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (RMHIDTA) program has published annual reports every year since 2013 tracking the impact of legalizing recreational marijuana in Colorado. The purpose is to provide data and information so that policy makers and citizens can make informed decisions on the issue of marijuana legalization.1
Go to:
Section I: Traffic Fatalities & Impaired Driving
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths where drivers tested positive for marijuana increased 138% while all Colorado traffic deaths increased 29%.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, traffic deaths involving drivers who tested positive for marijuana more than doubled from 55 in 2013 to 131 people killed in 2020.
Since recreational marijuana was legalized, the percentage of all Colorado traffic deaths involving drivers who tested positive for marijuana increased from 11% in 2013 to 20% in 2020.
Go to:
Section II: Marijuana Use
Past month marijuana use (ages 12 and older) increased 26% and is 61% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month adult marijuana use (ages 18 and older) increased 20% and is 62% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month college age marijuana use (ages 18–25) increased 10% and is 53% higher than the national average, currently ranked 3rd in the nation.
Past month youth marijuana use (ages 12–17) decreased 22% and is 39% higher than the national average, currently ranked 7th in the nation.
Go to:
Section III: Public Health
Marijuana-only exposures increased 185% from 2013 when recreational marijuana was legalized compared to 2020.
Treatment for marijuana use for all ages decreased 34% from 2013 to 2020.
The percent of suicide incidents in which toxicology results were positive for marijuana has increased from 14% in 2013 to 29% in 2020.
Go to:
Section IV: Black Market
RMHIDTA Colorado Drug Task Forces (10) conducted 294 investigations of black market marijuana in Colorado resulting in:
168 felony arrests
5.54 tons of marijuana seized
86,502 marijuana plants seized
21 different states the marijuana was destined
Seizures of marijuana reported to the El Paso Intelligence Center in Colorado increased 48% from an average of 174 parcels (2009–2012) when marijuana was commercialized to an average of 257 parcels (2013–2020) during the time recreational marijuana became legalized.
Go to:
Section V: Societal Impact
Marijuana tax revenue represent approximately 0.98% of Colorado’s FY 2020 budget.
66% of local jurisdictions in Colorado have banned medical and recreational marijuana businesses.
An external file that holds a picture, illustration, etc. Object name is ms118_p0534f2.jpg
Go to:
Footnotes
Medical and recreational marijuana legalization is destroying the health and social fabric of Colorado. Suicide, overdoses, ER visits, hospitalizations, and domestic and street violence due to cannabis are soaring while cannabis tax revenues are an anemic 0.98% of the 2021 state budget. Tax revenues are dwarfed by the Centennial State’s cost for law enforcement, automobile and industrial accidents, and increased school crime. Missouri must keep recreational marijuana from being legalized in 2022.
Do people push for legalization so they can do drugs?
I'm sure it's just a coincidence though /s
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