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re: Are gun owners who leave pistols in their car partially responsible for gun violence?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:12 pm to WDE24
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:12 pm to WDE24
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So when a repeat offender violent felon commits gun violence and people start placing blame on soft on crime judges/prosecutors
I blame the dude who killed for the killing but you're way off base. I blame the judge or prosecutor for being a pussy.
You leave your unlocked gun lying around, it is not smartbut it is not your fault if someone picks it up and kills someone else with it.
There's a HUGE difference between being lax and being purposely dangerous by releasing violent animals on the public.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 12:14 pm
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:13 pm to hubreb
The black community is responsible for the vast majority of violence. We all know it.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I should be able to keep a whole rack of fricking guns in my unlocked car.
This topic really chaps my arse. I cannot believe that humans are allowed to make it to adulthood thinking theft is acceptable. I understand the world is full of shitty people, but this is America. We shouldn't allow shitty people to be shitty.
All that is true while it is also true the sheer amount of stolen firearms flowing where they do is certainly not helpful.
If you do something that contributes to it you bear some responsibility for your actions on a moral level if nothing else. We all do dumb shite and I have left my gun in my truck overnight plenty of times but that does not make it right right thing to do.
The fact you may have just armed you or your families own previously unarmed assailant is reason enough to not make this a practice if you need to think of this on a micro level.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:blame them for what?
I blame the judge or prosecutor for being a pussy.
quote:There is a difference, but if you live in an area where car break ins are common and violent criminals are often on the streets (ie New Orleans), is the gap really that huge.
There's a HUGE difference between being lax and being purposely dangerous by releasing violent animals on the public.
Of course, I was not equating the two but testing your statement of “anything.”
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:19 pm to WDE24
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Of course, I was not equating the two but testing your statement of “anything.”
he person who chooses to commit a crime is 100% responsible for that crime.
Weird, this isn't really difficult and most normal people understand it. Are you under the impression that I think prosecutors should be held legally responsible for individual criminal behavior?
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Agreed. I just don’t recall you calling people that blame judges and prosecutors drama queens for doing so.
he person who chooses to commit a crime is 100% responsible for that crime.
quote:I like how you added “legally” to a conversation that never included it. Want to back pedal anymore?
be held legally responsible
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
No, and frick anyone that thinks they are.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:22 pm to TDTOM
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No, and frick anyone that thinks they are.
Probably a third of the country.
Unless your gun is visible from outside, you bear no responsibility. Its reasonable to expect your car not to be a crime scene.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:28 pm to hubreb
Criminals are responsible for the crimes they commit with firearms.
Gun owners are going to be vilified, no matter what. The same people screaming 'IRRESPONSIBLE!' when a pistol gets stolen in a Walmart parking lot from a locked vehicle would be screaming 'IRRESPONSIBLE!' if the owner decided to open carry it inside the building with him.
As for the thieves, I personally wouldn't mind if the third offense costs them a hand. It's a lot harder to steal without one.
Gun owners are going to be vilified, no matter what. The same people screaming 'IRRESPONSIBLE!' when a pistol gets stolen in a Walmart parking lot from a locked vehicle would be screaming 'IRRESPONSIBLE!' if the owner decided to open carry it inside the building with him.
As for the thieves, I personally wouldn't mind if the third offense costs them a hand. It's a lot harder to steal without one.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:40 pm to hubreb
My car is locked. My house is locked. Both have windows. frick a thief
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:43 pm to hubreb
That's crazy. Who doesn't have a truck gun?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 12:52 pm to hubreb
Yes!!!
Get a CCP or leave that bitch at home.
Get a CCP or leave that bitch at home.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:26 pm to hubreb
Your buddy is a fricking moron. If I leave my gun on a park bench, I’m incredibly irresponsible but I’m not in the slightest responsible for anyone with a functioning brain using it to commit violence. We must stop pushing the blame off of criminals. It’s a big part of the issues we’re going through now. This country has made people not feel like they have to be accountable for their own actions and it’s absurd.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:33 pm to RATeamWannabe
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I guess 25% of rape is a womans fault for wearing revealing outfits or whatever
RAT,
Based on the average response of TD posters, this board probably clocks in closer to 75%
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:36 pm to teke184
Needing a CCP forces those without one to leave their gun in the car unless they want to open carry.
Constitutional Carry would eliminate this portion of the problem.
Constitutional Carry would eliminate this portion of the problem.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:39 pm to hubreb
if someone steals your minivan and runs into a crowd, you gonna take the blame bud?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:42 pm to hubreb
A criminal is responsible for their criminal actions.
But I don’t have an issue with fining folks who leave a gun in an unlocked car (I see that shite all of the time on FB and Nextdoor) when it ends up used in a crime because you couldn’t be responsible enough to secure it.
Just like I have no issue with charging a parent who leaves their gun fully unsecured around a kid who picks it up and shoots themselves.
But I don’t have an issue with fining folks who leave a gun in an unlocked car (I see that shite all of the time on FB and Nextdoor) when it ends up used in a crime because you couldn’t be responsible enough to secure it.
Just like I have no issue with charging a parent who leaves their gun fully unsecured around a kid who picks it up and shoots themselves.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:44 pm to WhereisAtlanta
Whether it's intelligent or not is a different discussion. Suggesting that a victim of theft has a modicum of responsibility for thieves' actions using a something which was stolen is what pisses me off.
The thief is 100% responsible 100% of the time and the fact that ANYBODY thinks there is even a discussion to be had here is ridiculous and indicative that we have a very serious cultural and moral problem in this country.
The thief is 100% responsible 100% of the time and the fact that ANYBODY thinks there is even a discussion to be had here is ridiculous and indicative that we have a very serious cultural and moral problem in this country.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Many do so that dont have a CCP, others do so given the innumerable places by notice or statute they are not allowed to carry in a given facility (schools, government buildings: etc). Otherwise, the person is effectively disarmed from the point they leave their home.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 1:53 pm to hubreb
Ask him If someone steals a hammer from Home Depot, and buries it in your head, killing you. Is Home Depot partially guilty of murder?
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