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Civil War... States Rights or Slavery
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:10 am
Whats your take?
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:11 am to Park duck
Yes.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to Park duck
Both.
The primary states rights issue of that time was...slavery.
The primary states rights issue of that time was...slavery.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to Park duck
Yes the next civil war will probably be about slavery and states rights
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to Park duck
State's rights with slavery being one of the few main sub-issues.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:13 am to Park duck
Those who try to portray The Confederacy as purely a state's rights issue and completely ignoring slavery's part are just as bad as those who try to portray The Confederacy as an evil white supremacy empire and nothing more.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:14 am to Park duck
More complex than that, but both.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:14 am to Park duck
quote:
Slavery
Revisionist propaganda can't make this go away.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:17 am to Park duck
Looking at the commissioners’ letters for secession - almost all of them list slavery as their primary cause. Ultimately, that boils down to the state’s rights - but the primary state’s right in question, at least in the minds of those who were leading the cause, was slavery.
There is an excellent book by Charles Dew called Apostles of Disunion that breaks it down masterfully. Dew was originally in the “states rights” camp, but through his research he came to terms with a much broader truth.
There is an excellent book by Charles Dew called Apostles of Disunion that breaks it down masterfully. Dew was originally in the “states rights” camp, but through his research he came to terms with a much broader truth.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:18 am to Park duck
It's both. The Civil War was about a multitude of issues. Middle school and high school history classes mention slavery because it's easy for kids to remember. Where you go to high school each state is likely to focus on different issues. Sadly when these children become adults they think they're experts because they got an A on their 9th grade test.
Nothing is black and white.
Nothing is black and white.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:19 am to Park duck
It was states rights buuuutttttt…. Slavery was one of the biggest rights that the south wanted to have available to them.
Anyone thinking slavery was not a major factor is being obtuse
Anyone thinking slavery was not a major factor is being obtuse
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:21 am to Park duck
The underlying divisions (idealized by "states rights", but really an entire range of economic, cultural, religious and even ethnic/linguistic differences) were the engine of the conflict. Slavery was the fuel.
That's the best explanation I've been able to come up with. Slavery alone couldn't have sparked the conflict. And without slavery, there wasn't enough energy for the the engine of conflict to run, IMHO.
That's the best explanation I've been able to come up with. Slavery alone couldn't have sparked the conflict. And without slavery, there wasn't enough energy for the the engine of conflict to run, IMHO.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:21 am to Park duck
Most of my Confederate kin wanted to be left the frick alone. They didn't join the fighting until the damn yankees started sniffing around Louisiana.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:22 am to Park duck
quote:
Civil War... States Rights or Slavery
The south left the union primarily due to the states right to make decisions. Primarily this was based on slavery. Slavery was a “cornerstone” of the south, as stated in most of the state constitutions they drew up.
The war itself happened due to the disagreement over fort Sumter and whether or not it was “union” or “confederate”.
The war aims of the south were to form their own union separate of the north.
The war aims of the north were to prevent this separation and retain the union. The north did not fight to end slavery, this was a byproduct of the war effort.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:23 am to Park duck
I agree with most on here saying it was both.
The overall reasoning was states rights. The Southern states did not take kindly to the federal government telling them what they could and could not do and believed in a limited federal government.
Slavery was 1 of the states rights that the Southern States had issue with the federal government. There were many other rights the states didn't want to hand over to the fed's, but the slavery issue was the main focus of the North to get people to rally around the cause.
For the records, slavery was horrific, I'm not saying it was ok, so please don't think I am in any way saying it was ok then or now.
The overall reasoning was states rights. The Southern states did not take kindly to the federal government telling them what they could and could not do and believed in a limited federal government.
Slavery was 1 of the states rights that the Southern States had issue with the federal government. There were many other rights the states didn't want to hand over to the fed's, but the slavery issue was the main focus of the North to get people to rally around the cause.
For the records, slavery was horrific, I'm not saying it was ok, so please don't think I am in any way saying it was ok then or now.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:25 am to Park duck
My take is that Democrats and NeoCons are responsible for supply shortages, Historic inflation, creating racial strife, creating a Plandemic and pushing us to the verge of WW3.....who the fk cares?
It's just a chance for people to virtue-signal, argue and stir up old wounds on Social Media.
The correct answer is it can be interpreted either way, with zero ACTUAL proof as to the real answer.
It's just a chance for people to virtue-signal, argue and stir up old wounds on Social Media.
The correct answer is it can be interpreted either way, with zero ACTUAL proof as to the real answer.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:28 am to Park duck
From the southern side it was State's Rights, one of which was the right to determine if (and how long) slavery would be legal in that state.
From the northern side it was all about preservation of the union/expansion of federal powers. Lincoln himself said if he could preserve the union without freeing a single slave he would do it. Also, if the war from the northern side was truly about abolition, non-secessionist states (looking at you Delaware and New Jersey) would not have waited until the 13th amendment forced them to eradicate slavery.
Side note, Delaware didn't ratify the 13th, 14th, or 15th amendments until late January/early February of 1901.
From the northern side it was all about preservation of the union/expansion of federal powers. Lincoln himself said if he could preserve the union without freeing a single slave he would do it. Also, if the war from the northern side was truly about abolition, non-secessionist states (looking at you Delaware and New Jersey) would not have waited until the 13th amendment forced them to eradicate slavery.
Side note, Delaware didn't ratify the 13th, 14th, or 15th amendments until late January/early February of 1901.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:32 am to Park duck
quote:
Whats your take
Money. Cotton exports from the South dwarfed the North's entire economy.
Morrill tariff and other passive aggressive acts show it was all about money and control.
The union of states died when the North won.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:33 am to Park duck
All of the above
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:37 am to Park duck
Consolidation of power to promote centralized authority was the goal. This goal necessitated the erosion of states rights.
Slavery was the message used to generate a net gain of public support, much like global warming is used as a similar strategy to achieve otherwise unpopular goals.
Slavery was going to fail as an institution anyway, just like it has in every other developed economy. Slavery is of course inhumane. But the reason it fails is because it is economically inefficient over the long term.
Slavery was the message used to generate a net gain of public support, much like global warming is used as a similar strategy to achieve otherwise unpopular goals.
Slavery was going to fail as an institution anyway, just like it has in every other developed economy. Slavery is of course inhumane. But the reason it fails is because it is economically inefficient over the long term.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:40 am
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