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re: The case for keeping Jaxson Hayes
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:00 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:00 am to GOP_Tiger
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I still don't understand the big downside of keeping him.
I don't think you do have to trade him now. But I have very little faith he'll fix his bad habits like not boxing out, so if you trade him this summer I won't think it's a mistake.
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Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:17 am to GOP_Tiger
Young players on rookie deals are like new cars… the value you get for them decreases the second you draft them unless they become superstars.
Value we get now, while he has a cost controlled season left and would convey RFA rights / Bird rights, is more than his value at the deadline or his value next offseason barring a massive spike in value due to his play.
If we don’t see him making the kind of step up he needs to in order to get a new contract from us, we need to get value now rather than get lowballed at the deadline or play chicken on an RFA tender.
Value we get now, while he has a cost controlled season left and would convey RFA rights / Bird rights, is more than his value at the deadline or his value next offseason barring a massive spike in value due to his play.
If we don’t see him making the kind of step up he needs to in order to get a new contract from us, we need to get value now rather than get lowballed at the deadline or play chicken on an RFA tender.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:50 am to TigerinATL
It’s worth going into the season with him. Never underestimate what a contract year can and will do to motivate guys to play up to their potential. His range right now is anywhere from 10-12 a year based on what Bagley, Bamba, and Claxton got. I’d rather spend that money on Nance and hope that Liddell is everything we think he is and a lot more. If Liddell plays as well as I think he will, moving Hayes won’t be a tough decision.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
Graham and Kira will make a combined 15.5 mil next year.
Jax is already costing us 7 mil and Nance 10 mil. In other words if we have enough shooting/ defense between CJ/BI/ Herb/ Jose/ DD/ TM3 then we can cut Graham and Kira loose while re-signing both Nance and Hayes with their 15.5 mil. If we give both Nance and Hayes 14 mil extensions ( 11 mil extra) we would still have 4 mil left in space. This is my scenario if Hayes can actually play the 5.
If Hayes can’t play the 5 then we re-sign Nance, keep Kira and trade the 18 mil salaries of Hayes/ Graham.
Jax is already costing us 7 mil and Nance 10 mil. In other words if we have enough shooting/ defense between CJ/BI/ Herb/ Jose/ DD/ TM3 then we can cut Graham and Kira loose while re-signing both Nance and Hayes with their 15.5 mil. If we give both Nance and Hayes 14 mil extensions ( 11 mil extra) we would still have 4 mil left in space. This is my scenario if Hayes can actually play the 5.
If Hayes can’t play the 5 then we re-sign Nance, keep Kira and trade the 18 mil salaries of Hayes/ Graham.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
Nahhh, combine him with Graham and Temple and trade them to San Antonio for Josh Richardson and either Poeltl or Collins, whichever one they want to trade.
Spurs get a 22 year old with immense potential that they can see if they’ll be able to develop, which is why they do this.
Spurs get a 22 year old with immense potential that they can see if they’ll be able to develop, which is why they do this.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:12 pm to Dantheman504
CJ/ Jose
Herb/ DD/ Naji
BI/ TM3
Zion/ Liddell
Val/ Nance/ Billy
Technically we could have this roster and have 27 mil in space to trade if we move Kira, Hayes, Graham, and Temple. We have some options.
Herb/ DD/ Naji
BI/ TM3
Zion/ Liddell
Val/ Nance/ Billy
Technically we could have this roster and have 27 mil in space to trade if we move Kira, Hayes, Graham, and Temple. We have some options.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:29 pm to Soggymoss
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Nahhh, combine him with Graham and Temple and trade them to San Antonio for Josh Richardson and either Poeltl or Collins, whichever one they want to trade
I'm certainly not opposed to trading Jaxson for someone better. I'm opposed to dumping him to open a roster spot.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
Board just throwing out random names to get rid of Jax. Buddy, Josh Richardson … come on who’s minutes are they going to take … Herb, Dyson, TM3 ? What the Pels need is a young, rim running big capable of rim protection hmmmm … oh wait! I know who fits that profile.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:25 pm to Pistol44
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What the Pels need is a young, rim running big capable of rim protection
The least valuable center archetype. And Hayes isn’t a rim protector
If you want to gauge his future value, look at Nic Claxton’s recent extension. 2/$20 mil
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:28 pm to SCP
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If the price is right for a potential Hayes trade, I would take it in a heartbeat. This could be said about most players.
I would definitely listen to any and all offers for Hayes. I would not trade him just to get him off our roster for a "bad" deal.
This. I'd rather lose him to FA than make a bad deal for him
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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The least valuable center archetype. And Hayes isn’t a rim protector
If you want to gauge his future value, look at Nic Claxton’s recent extension. 2/$20 mil
Are you forgetting that Hayes has a decent shot for a big while Claxton ain't shooting shite not at the rim?
We have room to keep Hayes around. The Temples and Grahams of the world need to go. I don't think he has played into a $20 million/year contract but he has the potential to do so. As a back up 4/5 and a rotation piece he is a pretty damn good fit for any team. People are acting like he is a bust because in 3 years he hasn't become a starting super star center. He might neve reach that, but he very well could with his athletic ability.
I also wonder if anyone has seen a game in person. Hayes gets hit HARD and doesn't get the foul called for him. Also, a lot of our dumb fouls are from our ball handlers making a move before our screener is set. JV gets the same foul calls and nobody blames him. Sure, JV is a more savvy player and doesn't make as many mistakes, but he is also 10 year vet who has played on several teams.
If we are going tax anyway, I say it is worth the upside to keep Hayes around. I don't think we are going to find a better back up with the potential to become a star.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:00 pm to GOP_Tiger
I think Hayes does very well on the bench vs other bench minutes.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:39 pm to geauxtigers87
Who is paying him 20? Lol.
He’d have to really show some improvement and we still have right to match.
A team will have to overpay. Griff needs to put out there that he will match any reasonable offer. Even if it’s not true. The opposite of how he handled the Ball situation.
He’d have to really show some improvement and we still have right to match.
A team will have to overpay. Griff needs to put out there that he will match any reasonable offer. Even if it’s not true. The opposite of how he handled the Ball situation.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:50 pm to Townedrunkard
Nobody is going to believe that when he’s #9 or #10 in the rotation. If someone is a Jaxson believer they’ll come after him. But a reduced roll should cut down the number of potential Jaxson believers.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:55 pm to armsdealer
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Are you forgetting that Hayes has a decent shot for a big while Claxton ain't shooting shite not at the rim?
Decent shot by what metric? 86% of Hayes’ makes have been a dunk or a layup. Any idea what he’s shot on attempts outside 10’? Hint: it’s not good
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:58 pm to TigerinATL
one thing hayes can do which will keep him in the league while he learns how to play is making his foul shots. That combined with lethal transition plays is enough to employ him. Honestly I’d like to keep him if he would accept the role and the salary that goes with it.
if his agent insists on crazy money nobody will offer that. Will be interesting
if his agent insists on crazy money nobody will offer that. Will be interesting
Posted on 7/9/22 at 3:11 pm to cgrand
Hayes hasn’t established any high dollar value up to this point, and won’t be afforded the playing time here this season to become a big earner
He either extends here for a very reasonable rate or is traded
He either extends here for a very reasonable rate or is traded
Posted on 7/9/22 at 3:20 pm to GynoSandberg
I think we could easily afford something up to, say, $12M/per, but the fear is he'll want more or some team will throw money at him.
3/36 would be the max I'd assume. 2/20 would be amazing.
I'd rather take that risk as opposed to just dumping him.
The question is what if someone offers him like, 4/60?
3/36 would be the max I'd assume. 2/20 would be amazing.
I'd rather take that risk as opposed to just dumping him.
The question is what if someone offers him like, 4/60?
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/9/22 at 3:25 pm to GynoSandberg
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Decent shot by what metric?
3% and FT%. He should not be taking mid range shots on this team unless it is an end of shot clock situation.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 3:43 pm to GynoSandberg
36% clip from 3 is not shabby, particularly for a big.
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