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What is the answer to gun violence?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:14 pm
Some quick background:
I am a lifelong Republican, having registered Republican when I was 18, some fifty plus years ago. I have NEVER voted for a Democrat and even voted for Duke over…..not even going to post his name. I do not own a firearm and honestly, other than pellet guns when I was a youngster, have never fired a gun.
Over the years, I have unfortunately seen too many gun shot victims, many intentionally shot and sadly, quite a few unintentional victims because of accidents. During trauma residency at The Big Charity, I was witness to horrific gun injuries and deaths, many that I still recall thirty plus years later.
Over the years, I have spent time wondering what the answer was to stop or minimize these gun related deaths and injuries. Now, that I am scaling back my ER time and nearing retirement, it troubles me that I have not thought of a possible solution.
I am in support of the second amendment and do not wish to see it revoked or changed in any way. I am asking the question – What is the answer to reduce these gun related incidents, whether it be the mass shootings or random shootings we read about daily? Is it reimplementation of the death penalty, better prosecution and stronger sentencing, more jails, better mental health care, national police force, etc.?
I read where advocates of gun control wish to have better background checks, extend wait times for a gun purchase, have strict requirements such as training to own a weapon. These things are okay for law abiding citizens, but what about the many individuals that own a gun illegally? How do we deal with these individuals?
Apologize for the long post as I am asking a simple question? What are your thoughts and suggestions on ways to reduce the gun violence?
I am a lifelong Republican, having registered Republican when I was 18, some fifty plus years ago. I have NEVER voted for a Democrat and even voted for Duke over…..not even going to post his name. I do not own a firearm and honestly, other than pellet guns when I was a youngster, have never fired a gun.
Over the years, I have unfortunately seen too many gun shot victims, many intentionally shot and sadly, quite a few unintentional victims because of accidents. During trauma residency at The Big Charity, I was witness to horrific gun injuries and deaths, many that I still recall thirty plus years later.
Over the years, I have spent time wondering what the answer was to stop or minimize these gun related deaths and injuries. Now, that I am scaling back my ER time and nearing retirement, it troubles me that I have not thought of a possible solution.
I am in support of the second amendment and do not wish to see it revoked or changed in any way. I am asking the question – What is the answer to reduce these gun related incidents, whether it be the mass shootings or random shootings we read about daily? Is it reimplementation of the death penalty, better prosecution and stronger sentencing, more jails, better mental health care, national police force, etc.?
I read where advocates of gun control wish to have better background checks, extend wait times for a gun purchase, have strict requirements such as training to own a weapon. These things are okay for law abiding citizens, but what about the many individuals that own a gun illegally? How do we deal with these individuals?
Apologize for the long post as I am asking a simple question? What are your thoughts and suggestions on ways to reduce the gun violence?
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:15 pm to LC412000
What percentage of your guns killed innocent people?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:16 pm to LC412000
quote:
What is the answer to gun violence?
More good guys with guns.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:16 pm to LC412000
Parents, and the sacraments frequently.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:16 pm to LC412000
Acknowledge that the war on drugs has failed and we need to look at other approaches to solving this problem
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:19 pm to LC412000
quote:shooting people who want gun control
What is the answer to gun violence?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:19 pm to LC412000
All mass shooters are documented occultists.
It’s a spiritual war.
It’s a spiritual war.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:20 pm to LC412000
A wicked culture is where our problems lie. Let us not continue turning a blind eye to the heart issue and instead embracing the fallacy that we can govern the lawless. The unborn can be slain, children can be indoctrinated with things of perverse nature, but it isn't until many little ones are massacred that leaders finally clamor for "change" Sadly, the attention is shifted to an
inanimate object rather than the wicked culture that helped create the monster holding it. You cannot have a depraved society that has a disregard for human life and then expect no resulting consequences. No law can stop the will of a wicked heart.
inanimate object rather than the wicked culture that helped create the monster holding it. You cannot have a depraved society that has a disregard for human life and then expect no resulting consequences. No law can stop the will of a wicked heart.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:20 pm to LC412000
You don’t. As long as guns exist there will be accidents, shootings, and mass shootings that are statistically insignificant in comparison to what they protect us from
ETA: just to put it into perspective, at the current rate, it would take 4,300 years of gun deaths to match how many people Mao Zedong’s communist regime killed in 40. The government is thousands of times more dangerous than guns and that’s why we have them
ETA: just to put it into perspective, at the current rate, it would take 4,300 years of gun deaths to match how many people Mao Zedong’s communist regime killed in 40. The government is thousands of times more dangerous than guns and that’s why we have them
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:21 pm to LC412000
Not a single one of my guns has ever killed anyone.
The issue IS NOT the law abiding gun owner/gun purchaser.
The issue is (and is ALWAYS) a person using a gun illegally. Either they shouldn't have it in the first place (it is stolen, or they are a felon), or it is being used for an illegal purpose.
The issue IS NOT the law abiding gun owner/gun purchaser.
The issue is (and is ALWAYS) a person using a gun illegally. Either they shouldn't have it in the first place (it is stolen, or they are a felon), or it is being used for an illegal purpose.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:22 pm to LC412000
Fathers in the home.
Nuclear families.
Nuclear families.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:24 pm to LC412000
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gun violence
Guns cannot be violent, as they are inanimate objects. Just as machetes, baseball bats, knives, hammers, etc. cannot be violent.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:29 pm to LC412000
The very first step would be stop talking about guns as being the issue.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:36 pm to LC412000
Regulate violent video game and loosen the gun laws even more
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:37 pm to LC412000
The last time violent crime was this bad in the country was the early '90s. Some might point to the ban on assault rifles in '94 as the reason for the drop in crime later that decade. The data shows a negligible drop in mass murders during the life of that bill.
As much as I hate to admit it, the drop then was likely more due to the passing of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act written in part by then senator Joe Biden but had support from both parties. Details from wiki follow:
"The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, commonly referred to as the 1994 Crime Bill,[1] the Clinton Crime Bill,[2] or the Biden Crime Law,[3] is an Act of Congress dealing with crime and law enforcement; it became law in 1994. It is the largest crime bill in the history of the United States and consisted of 356 pages that provided for 100,000 new police officers, $9.7 billion in funding for prisons and $6.1 billion in funding for prevention programs, which were designed with significant input from experienced police officers."
During that decade violent crime incidence dropped from 758/100000 to around 500/100000.
So as you can see, increased funding to the police, prisons, and prevention programs had a profound effect on violent crime. 3 strike legislation was also being passed at the time.
The answer is a concerted effort by the government to police the country effectively with actual repercussions to committing crime. This requires a backbone by all three branches of government and a willingness to not cowtow to the vocal minority who like to complain about an overzealous justice system but provide no other viable solutions.
The answer is not gun control legislation. The stats during the assault gun ban bear this out.
As much as I hate to admit it, the drop then was likely more due to the passing of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act written in part by then senator Joe Biden but had support from both parties. Details from wiki follow:
"The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, commonly referred to as the 1994 Crime Bill,[1] the Clinton Crime Bill,[2] or the Biden Crime Law,[3] is an Act of Congress dealing with crime and law enforcement; it became law in 1994. It is the largest crime bill in the history of the United States and consisted of 356 pages that provided for 100,000 new police officers, $9.7 billion in funding for prisons and $6.1 billion in funding for prevention programs, which were designed with significant input from experienced police officers."
During that decade violent crime incidence dropped from 758/100000 to around 500/100000.
So as you can see, increased funding to the police, prisons, and prevention programs had a profound effect on violent crime. 3 strike legislation was also being passed at the time.
The answer is a concerted effort by the government to police the country effectively with actual repercussions to committing crime. This requires a backbone by all three branches of government and a willingness to not cowtow to the vocal minority who like to complain about an overzealous justice system but provide no other viable solutions.
The answer is not gun control legislation. The stats during the assault gun ban bear this out.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:39 pm to LC412000
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What is the answer to gun violence?
What is the answer to any kind of violence? The sad truth is humans can be a very violent species with thousands of years of history to prove it. Add on top of that the fact that we've allowed the destruction of the nuclear family, and removed God from most aspects of society (which are the two best deterrents to human violence) and you get stuff like mass shootings.
In the end, it's a dangerous world that will never be 100% safe (at least not until Christ returns). We've gotten way too comfortable with a false sense of safety, and now we can't understand why there is violence when violence has always been our nature since the dawn of man (or since Cain killed Abel if you're religious).
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:39 pm to LC412000
Joe pretty summed it up, outlaw 9mm cause they will blow a lung out, instead have all the double barrel 12 gouges you can get
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:41 pm to LC412000
1. Impeach judges who hand out slaps on the wrist for recidivist predators in our society.
2. Conviction of a felony crime with a gun is an automatic 25 years in prison, with no time off for good behavior.
3. Strike all gun laws from federal, state, and municipal books, to include gun free zones.
4. National affirmative defense for using a gun to defend yourself or others, or to stop a crime.
5. Federal law to allow those teachers who wish to submit to proper training and evaluation to carry in schools to protect themselves and the kids.
6. State or federal requirements for securing access points to schools. It’s not rocket science, and it doesn’t have to look like a prison.
7. Legislation that includes fines and or imprisonment for mental health officials and law enforcement who fail to report and/or investigate individuals with known indicators for this kind of violence, and previous involvement/intervention with either.
Start there, and see what happens.
2. Conviction of a felony crime with a gun is an automatic 25 years in prison, with no time off for good behavior.
3. Strike all gun laws from federal, state, and municipal books, to include gun free zones.
4. National affirmative defense for using a gun to defend yourself or others, or to stop a crime.
5. Federal law to allow those teachers who wish to submit to proper training and evaluation to carry in schools to protect themselves and the kids.
6. State or federal requirements for securing access points to schools. It’s not rocket science, and it doesn’t have to look like a prison.
7. Legislation that includes fines and or imprisonment for mental health officials and law enforcement who fail to report and/or investigate individuals with known indicators for this kind of violence, and previous involvement/intervention with either.
Start there, and see what happens.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:23 pm to LC412000
quote:Well, mass shootings and random shootings are mostly perpetrated by blacks.
What is the answer to reduce these gun related incidents, whether it be the mass shootings or random shootings we read about daily?
So, the real question is: "What is the answer to black violence?"
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:24 pm to LC412000
Gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem. Violence has been normalized in all forms of media. I’m not saying censorship is the answer, but there’s a correlation there that can’t be ignored.
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