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Editorial: What Biden Is Getting Wrong About Big Oil’s Profits

Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:14 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21412 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:14 am
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Last Friday President Biden singled out ExxonMobil for reaping big profits as a result of high oil and gas prices. The President complained “Why don’t you tell them what Exxon’s profits were this year? This quarter? Exxon made more money than God this year. Exxon, start investing. Start paying your taxes.”


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Oil companies aren’t reaping huge profits because they are gouging consumers, and their high profits aren’t driving inflation. The high profits and soaring inflation are both a result of high oil prices, and oil companies have little influence over that.

The oil companies are always a convenient scapegoat, particularly for Democrats. But let’s look at ExxonMobil’s profits in context. Further, let’s compare the company’s net profits to those of Apple over the past 10 quarters.

In the most recent quarter, ExxonMobil reported $5.5 billion in net income. If that’s “more than God”, I wonder how President Biden would quantify Apple’s $25.0 billion for the quarter. Five times more than God? Oh, and ExxonMobil also paid $2.8 billion in taxes for the quarter, so it seems that they are paying their taxes.


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Over the past 12 months, ExxonMobil has reported $25.8 billion in net income versus Apple’s $101.9 billion. But if we look back further, the discrepancy is much worse.

ExxonMobil reported losses in four of the past ten quarters, including a whopping $20.1 billion loss in December 2020. That’s what can happen when you don’t control the price of the product you sell.

You don’t see that happening with Apple. They never earned less than $11.2 billion in any of the past ten quarters.


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Apple has full control over the price of its products and trounces ExxonMobil’s earnings in every quarter. Apple could slash the price of its products and still make a huge profit. But ExxonMobil can’t slash the price of its products because it doesn’t set the price.

Yet it’s ExxonMobil that is accused of gouging.

If you want to know how we end up with bad energy policies, it’s because too many politicians believe things that aren’t true.


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Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112740 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:15 am to
I support Biden. Can you imagine the equitable programs we could get started with those taxes?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:16 am to
You could make a much shorter post just explaining what he’s done right.
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
8594 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:32 am to
Spot on. Get in here Democrats and bathe yourself in some cold hard facts.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
29011 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:34 am to


I’ve been sharing this graphic for 2 weeks
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
150867 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:36 am to
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If you want to know how we end up with bad energy policies, it’s because too many politicians believe things that aren’t true.

You can scratch the word "energy" off that...it's just all policies. We have an administration that thinks printing more money helps the economy. They think that defunding police makes things better/safer. They think that lighting federal buildings on fire is okay in one instance but waltzing into an open door of another is a crime. They think that more gun laws will prevent criminals from committing crime. Etc.

Almost literally nothing they say or do makes any rational sense whatsoever, yet here we are.


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Exxon made more money than God this year. Exxon, start investing. Start paying your taxes.

What a piece of shite thing to say. I assume he said that to generate emotion from his supporters, since they will run with that and assume Exxon doesn't pay their taxes. But still, that's just going out of your way to be an a-hole, and is further evidence that he doesn't know what the frick he is doing and is just trying to create conflict.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 11:43 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261680 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:36 am to
Tech is off limits, they are partners in the technocracy. BigOil is a populist dream target.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
67051 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:40 am to
saw this post floating around LinkedIn

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The constant manipulation from career politicians is disgusting...don't be their victim. Some context to consider. Exxon is forecasted to have net income of $43 billion ("more than God" apparently)...compare that to forecasted net income at Google of $76 billion, Microsoft of $80 billion, and Apple of $104 billion. What about profit margins and claims of price gouging? The forecasted 2022 profit margin is 11% for Exxon which is just below the average profit margin across the components of the S&P 500. However, it pales in comparison to the profit margins of the 3 Big Tech giants which is forecasted to be 31% on average. Big Tech could drop their prices 20% tomorrow and still have profit margins on par with the rest of the S&P 500 and Exxon. Who has been gouging and deceiving who? Politicians and central bankers have a lot to answer for as it their promises, threats, myopic agendas, and actions that have created the unbelievably regressive inflation we are witnessing today. #energystrong #context #inflation

6/16/22 Update: Moved my supporting comments up--see the actual comments if you'd like the accompanying charts:

1. Exxon net income margin vs 3 Big Tech giants over the past 20 years...one doesn't look like the other. Exxon margins are relatively flat in a 5-11% range since 2002 except a sharp spike down to -13% in 2000. Meanwhile, the 3 Big Tech giants started out the early 2000s in the low teens, but now are greater than 30%.

2. Exxon did buyback $2 billion of stock in 1Q. Was the first time that they had done any buyback since 2Q of 2020. During the 1Q of this year Apple, Google, and Microsoft bought back $44 billion of their shares. Over the past 10 years, Exxon repurchased $59 billion of stock while the Big 3 Tech giants repurchased $748 billion of their stock.

3. Here are the stunning facts about taxes paid. Over the past ten years, Exxon's cumulative tax bill (current income taxes + production taxes) totaled $418 billion...compared to the total across the Big Tech giants who paid a cumulative $302 billion. In fact, in 8 of the last 10 years, Exxon paid more paid more annual tax by itself than the Big Tech giants combined. It's time to do your (#patriotic) part, Big Tech!

4. Soooo to sum up....over the past 10 years, Exxon paid nearly 10x more in taxes than the amount they spent to buyback their stock, while the Big Tech giants spent 2.5x more on stock buybacks than they paid in taxes.

#cmon #man
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:00 pm to
It is interesting to see the context against other mega companies, but I think the point is flawed. The difference is the cost of produce doesn't go up based on what Apple is charging for their new wireless ear buds. If I don't want the latest and greatest iPhone, there is literally zero impact to my life, other than it defining the going rate of smart phones.

Not all companies/products have the inter-connected dependency that O&G does.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7643 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:08 pm to
I love the report of "losses" thing these companies do. that's some magic accounting there. Hey last quarter we projected we would make 5 billion. Well we only made 4.8 billion so we had a loss of 200 mil. I swear we are struggling.

Biden is still an idiot though.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
14171 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:15 pm to
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If you want to know how we end up with bad energy policies, it’s because too many politicians are fricking stupid


FIFY
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
20259 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:22 pm to
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What Biden Is Getting Wrong

Everything
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:47 pm to
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If you want to know how we end up with bad energy policies, it’s because too many politicians believe things that aren’t true.



It isn't that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much. that isn't so! Ronald Reagan
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18820 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:03 pm to
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If you want to know how we end up with bad energy policies, it’s because there should be no such thing as energy policies. Meaning, the federal government should have nothing to do with energy.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10503 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:31 pm to
Democrats believe that oil or other minerals in the earth belong to the government and it drives them nuts that private landowners can claim it.

They want to villify the energy companies at every turn so they can make the case that the government should be the one producing oil and gas, not private exploration companies
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17338 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:53 pm to
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If you want to know how we end up with bad everything policies, it’s because all politicians believe things that aren’t true.
FIFY

Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15786 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:59 pm to
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What Biden Is Getting Wrong About Big Oil’s Profits


Most Biden voters don't understand the difference between revenues, gross profit, gross profit margin, and net income, let alone economics.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
9254 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:09 pm to
I wonder why Fox or other conservative voices haven't shouted this out????

It really kills Biden's criticism of O&G.

Better yet, I would love to see that Doocy ask the Jean-Pierre about this!!! Fun times
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