re: Is it time for the US and NATO to make our voice heard in Eastern Europe with air power?

Posted by LSUbest

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 3:56 pm to bricksandstones

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Why would we take such a risk when things seem to be going well enough for the Ukrainians as is?

I was being sarcastic.

Posted by Flats

Member since Jul 2019

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 3:56 pm to lowspark12

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If California got bombed tomorrow 90% of this board wouldn’t want to get involved.

Who's doing the bombing? That might be a tough one.

Posted by Jack Carter

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 3:57 pm to Tvilletiger

Pathetic troll

Posted by Tvilletiger

PVB

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:02 pm to Harry Rex Vonner

Good point here. Most people do not know this.
Would it be a move to Moldova, Poland, maybe fully shutting off the Black Sea? Maybe further into Western Europe?
Should we cut off the help to not make things worse then?
I am just listening and hearing peoples views. That is why we should enjoy this board and it a op to hear everyone.

Posted by MAEFIELD

Member since Jan 2018

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:03 pm to Tvilletiger

The US’s National security interest are as follows:
- security of nation (vital)
- economic prosperity (can be vital)
- protection of our citizens and allies abroad (can be vital)
- and advancing democracy (not vital)

Ukraine is a valued partner, but not an ally, thus this conflict fits in fourth category. The US will help, as we are, but not get militarily involved.

Posted by Taxing Authority

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:04 pm to Tvilletiger

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I believe that it is time.

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I also believe from talking with friends in the military that we have a huge advantage.

We also have a huge advantage overMexico and Canada. Should we bomb hem too?

Posted by Tvilletiger

PVB

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:05 pm to MAEFIELD

Are we not already military involved though? It is starting to look like we are scared and weak.

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Posted by Tvilletiger

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:08 pm to Tvilletiger

I guess the question is then what is the next move? There is going to be so much crap from this for years. The area will be totally unstable for decades. Huge economies will have to be rebuilt.

Posted by Kattail

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:10 pm to Tvilletiger

Posted by MAEFIELD

Member since Jan 2018

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:12 pm to Tvilletiger

Providing funding, basic life assistance (food, water, medicines, etc), and military equipment is not the same as being militarily involved…which we are not. Doesn’t make us look weak, rather we are staying clear of any circumstance that would invoke article 5. Russia has proven poor at best at operational logistics, C2 of theater fires, and a rather undisciplined force.

Posted by Tiger985

Member since Nov 2006

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:12 pm to Tvilletiger

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There are too many people being killed.

Well friend, how many millions do you want to see killed over Ukraine?

Just answer that simple question.

3 million? 10 million? 100 million?

Because that's what your suggestion will get us.

How about we show some leadership and try to de escalate the situation.

Find out what it will take to stop the killing.

Any outcome will be better than the one you suggest.

I talk to a lot of people.....NO ONE wants to fight WWIII over Ukraine.

No one outside of DC that is.

But answer my question, how many millions of bodies would you like to see?

Posted by NC_Tigah

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Member since Sep 2003

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:12 pm to Tvilletiger

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Yeah I mean I debate it in my head all the time

You need to stop thinking with your small head.

errrr.....

Posted by Houag80

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:14 pm to Tvilletiger

Emasculate yourself.

Posted by Tvilletiger

PVB

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:14 pm to MAEFIELD

Ok. This is a real point.

Posted by JJJimmyJimJames

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:14 pm to Tvilletiger

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Yeah I mean I debate it in my head all the time. I guess it is simply is there a point where we do something or just watch people being killed? Do you like people being killed like this if we could stop it? Is it a greater risk to get involved? That is the meaning behind this thread.

It has been said by reliable sources just the last few days that the Ukraine army is killing Ukranians

Posted by Tesla

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:15 pm to Tvilletiger

I’ll say this, with all the people who “stand with Ukraine,” from Biden to Soros, Pelosi, Romney, to all of Hollywood, I’ll be damned if I’m just going to accept the narrative they’re pushing. Ukraine has been a corrupt money laundering operation for the DC elite for over a decade. Sorry for the civilians, but our sins are buried there and if all of the biolabs and honeypots get destroyed, good.

Posted by OchoDedos

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:15 pm to Tvilletiger

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Is it time for the US and NATO to make our voice heard in Eastern Europe with air power?

Why? The Russians have royally f'ed this up all of their own volition. Keep arming the Ukrainians. They're kicking Russian arse without our help.

Posted by Tesla

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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:16 pm to Tvilletiger

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I guess it is simply is there a point where we do something or just watch people being killed? Do you like people being killed like this if we could stop it?

First, fix Chicago.