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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:40 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:40 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I put forward this theory many pages back on page 2920 and on 2930
Ask yourself the question "why today"? Why in the middle of the Ukrainian Offensive did a supposed ultra-nationalist like Prigozhin decide to declare war on the Russian MOD.
Remember, In the last couple of weeks Ukraine invaded Belogord and started an aggressive probing attack in the south, Russia has had to move troops to respond so they are already weaker in the rear than they were 3 weeks ago.
Now Wagner goes on a rampage in Russia causing Russia to further weaken their lines to respond. The Rosgvardiya (Russian national guard) can't stand up to Wagner on the battlefield. That's like the Oklahoma national guard (no offense to anyone in the OK NG) going up against the 101st.
Look for the real punch to come from Ukraine soon.
The more I think about this, my confidence level increases that Ukraine co-opted Wagner.
2930
Expanding on my theory that Wagner was compromised...Ukraine sent the Free Russia Corps into Belogord so that Prigozhin could offer to relocate Wagner there. When he wasn't allowed to do that (Possibly because the MOD already sensed something) he takes Rostov instead. Had he been allowed to relocate to Belogord then perhaps the plan was for the Free Russia Corps to join with him for a run on Moscow.
It all fits together, but we may never know if I'm full of shite or right.
Either way it was a win-win situation for Ukraine.
Ask yourself the question "why today"? Why in the middle of the Ukrainian Offensive did a supposed ultra-nationalist like Prigozhin decide to declare war on the Russian MOD.
Remember, In the last couple of weeks Ukraine invaded Belogord and started an aggressive probing attack in the south, Russia has had to move troops to respond so they are already weaker in the rear than they were 3 weeks ago.
Now Wagner goes on a rampage in Russia causing Russia to further weaken their lines to respond. The Rosgvardiya (Russian national guard) can't stand up to Wagner on the battlefield. That's like the Oklahoma national guard (no offense to anyone in the OK NG) going up against the 101st.
Look for the real punch to come from Ukraine soon.
The more I think about this, my confidence level increases that Ukraine co-opted Wagner.
2930
Expanding on my theory that Wagner was compromised...Ukraine sent the Free Russia Corps into Belogord so that Prigozhin could offer to relocate Wagner there. When he wasn't allowed to do that (Possibly because the MOD already sensed something) he takes Rostov instead. Had he been allowed to relocate to Belogord then perhaps the plan was for the Free Russia Corps to join with him for a run on Moscow.
It all fits together, but we may never know if I'm full of shite or right.
Either way it was a win-win situation for Ukraine.
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:44 am to ImaObserver
quote:
Putin's plane reportedly attempted to enter Kazakhstan air space but was turned away. Kazakhstan President Tokayev commented: "The current events are Russia's internal affair.""
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:45 am to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1672646555675815936
quote:
more and more evidence of a river crossing in kherson, still early but this could bypass the defenses ...
just remember who called it.
and most of the forces were shifted weeks ago,,,
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:47 am to Dr RC
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:47 am to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
Igor Sushko
@igorsushko
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7h
Osechkin's source: Wagner occupation of Rostov is commanded by Alexander "Ratibor" Kuznetsov of 1st Assault Squad. Defence of city's northeast commanded by Fedor "Barin" Leschuk of 7th Assault Squad. They have huge munitions stockpiles which were prepared over the last 2+ months.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:49 am to StormyMcMan
If it is true then it poses the question as to where he might be heading to take refuge, one of the Stans? Iran? China?
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:50 am to Sooner5030
New Oryx list just dropped
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:50 am to Chromdome35
Video of Russian helicopters firing on something in Voronezh.
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1672576893571280897
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1672576893571280897
quote:
Russian military helicopters launch missiles at ground targets in Voronezh. Most likely on the positions of the Wagner forces.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:50 am to Sooner5030
duplicate of post above
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:51 am to cypher
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:52 am to ImaObserver
I read something that said Iran also called this an “internal affair” for Russia, so who knows
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:55 am to cypher
quote:
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
BREAKING:
Some Russian units are pulling out of Ukraine and are returning to Russia in an effort to stop the advance of the Wagner Group
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:57 am to Chromdome35
quote:
Video of the famous Ukrainian drone commander “Magyar” watching the military coup in Russia while eating enormous amounts of salted popcorn
In the twitter responses-
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:57 am to Stidham8
quote:
This board actually believes Russia is on the brink of a massive civil war. Gotta hand it to them, they eat up the propaganda at every turn. The real news is the failed counteroffensive.
Posted yesterday.
I would like to pause for a moment and pay respects to probably the worst track record for anything, ever.
F
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:01 pm to MattA
quote:
don't believe the lack of resistance is down to some mass revolt at this point, though that possibility remains, it is more likely Russian's inability to respond to unexpected changes at ground level effectively meaning the troops just don't know WTF to do.
My nephew who lives in Moscow and was mobilized is a doctor who was exempt from military conscription and has never fired a gun in his life. He was pulled from his apartment last night, put in a van, dropped off a checkpoint outside of Moscow and given a uniform and a rusty AK. I have talked to him since then and he said most of the "soldiers" at the checkpoint with him are like him. I would imagine that the lack of resistance is due to the fact that the Russian troops sent to face Wagner are not actually soldiers.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:03 pm to Hateradedrink
quote:
Posted yesterday.
I would like to pause for a moment and pay respects to probably the worst track record for anything, ever.
There are some pretty funny takes in the early parts of this thread. Lots of Putin is a genius, this is all Biden's fault, Ukraine will roll over instantly chatter.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:05 pm to Hateradedrink
You can pretty much count on the exact opposite of whatever Stidham posts.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:05 pm to AnotherWin4LSU
quote:
He was pulled from his apartment last night, put in a van, dropped off a checkpoint outside of Moscow and given a uniform and a rusty AK. I
Stidham??
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:05 pm to Chromdome35
I don't think the timing was that organized.
wagner was stockpiling weapons and ammo and the Russian MoD started catching on. A few months ago they started tightening supplies to Wagner and trying to replace Wagner leadership, so Prigozhin set his plan in motion.
Of course the idea that Bakhmut could have been a decoy while Wagner and Ukraine worked out a deal is pretty interesting to consider.
wagner was stockpiling weapons and ammo and the Russian MoD started catching on. A few months ago they started tightening supplies to Wagner and trying to replace Wagner leadership, so Prigozhin set his plan in motion.
Of course the idea that Bakhmut could have been a decoy while Wagner and Ukraine worked out a deal is pretty interesting to consider.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:06 pm to AnotherWin4LSU
quote:
My nephew who lives in Moscow and was mobilized is a doctor who was exempt from military conscription and has never fired a gun in his life. He was pulled from his apartment last night, put in a van, dropped off a checkpoint outside of Moscow and given a uniform and a rusty AK. I have talked to him since then and he said most of the "soldiers" at the checkpoint with him are like him. I would imagine that the lack of resistance is due to the fact that the Russian troops sent to face Wagner are not actually soldiers.
Most of Russia’s actual soldiers are hundreds of miles away in Ukraine. I don’t think there is very much between this Wagner column and Moscow. At least not much with the level of milt training and experience as the Wagner forces have.
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