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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:28 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:28 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
$300 million US aid package to include Avenger AA systems and Zuni rockets
May 30, 2023, 04:43 PM
Washington is preparing to announce a new $300 million military aid package to Ukraine on May 31, Voice of America journalist Carla Babb reported via Twitter.
According to Babb, sources in the U.S, Department of Defense said the package will include Avenger short-range anti-air systems installed on High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (Humvees). These systems are intended for striking airborne targets at altitudes between 0.5 and 3.8 km and distances between 0.5 and 5.5 km.
Besides the Avengers, the package is expected to include the following items:
· Missiles for Patriot air defense systems;
· Artillery shells;
· HIMARS rocket artillery munitions;
· Zuni unguided ground-to-ground rockets;
· Stinger MANPADS.
The New Voice of Ukraine
May 30, 2023, 04:43 PM
Washington is preparing to announce a new $300 million military aid package to Ukraine on May 31, Voice of America journalist Carla Babb reported via Twitter.
According to Babb, sources in the U.S, Department of Defense said the package will include Avenger short-range anti-air systems installed on High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (Humvees). These systems are intended for striking airborne targets at altitudes between 0.5 and 3.8 km and distances between 0.5 and 5.5 km.
Besides the Avengers, the package is expected to include the following items:
· Missiles for Patriot air defense systems;
· Artillery shells;
· HIMARS rocket artillery munitions;
· Zuni unguided ground-to-ground rockets;
· Stinger MANPADS.
The New Voice of Ukraine
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 4:48 pm to CitizenK
I wonder what the dwell time of a laser is to down/disable a drone and how fast subsequent targets can be acquired. This will determine how edfective it would be against a swarm.
I could see the return of "Rat Patrol" jeeps with .50 cal in the back in the Ukrainian arsenal.
Or maybe the M45 quad-mounts on a truck....
I could see the return of "Rat Patrol" jeeps with .50 cal in the back in the Ukrainian arsenal.
Or maybe the M45 quad-mounts on a truck....
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:06 pm to cypher
If that isn’t an attack aid package I’m not sure what is. All ammunition. The Avengers will most likely be used at the very tip of the spear to protect tanks and troops from low flying Russian aircraft making ground attack runs. I think the only thing holding Ukraine back from going now is they only have 60 of the 85 Leopard 2 tanks promised but the rest should be there very soon. I also think Zelensky would like to have the rest of the 19 CAESAR SPGs and Archers from Denmark and Sweden respectively since they are at a huge disadvantage in the number of artillery tubes they can field but they can make up for that in the quality of these systems which are far beyond anything Russia can put on the battlefield. The only thing I see missing are Javelins. I think we have them some more in a recent package but it can’t be anything close to the 8500 we sent at the start of the war. Our own stocks are dangerously low of those so they might have to make do with more AT-4 and RPG. I’m sure they still have hundreds of Javelins but I doubt we see Russia make the incredibly stupid mistake of having a 20 mile convoy of armor and vehicles on one road just sitting there like fish in a barrel. I love that we are giving Ukraine modern tanks but I would take 100 more Bradleys over more tanks right now.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:26 pm to LSUPilot07
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Pretty sure Ukraine has all but stopped launching their expensive air defense missiles at Shahed drones and the like. The good thing is that they fly so low and slow and have a long distance to cover from their launch sites to get anywhere in the interior of Ukraine like Kyiv that AA defense teams have time to prepare and get into position to hopefully intercept. While Patriots, IRIS-T and NASAMS get (and rightfully so) a lot of the attention, the unsung heroes of Ukrainian air defense against the hoards of cheap drones being sent at civilian areas are hundreds of small 2-3 man teams with old Soviet DShK
I've seen several articles where the Ukrainians are claiming the Gepard is the most effective and far cheaper option at shooting down drones( opposed to expensive missiles) . But Germany has limited production capacity for making the ammo & the Swiss( who also make the ammo ) wont allow any of their ammo to be shipped to Ukraine.
LINK
Ukraine seems to love the Gepards.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:34 pm to sugar71
The Swiss Parliament may be on its way to easing that, but the moving 5-year window would still significantly limit Swiss weapons making it to Ukraine.
LINK
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Countries like Spain, Denmark, and Germany have been asking Switzerland to allow to export armaments to Ukraine for over a year now, but the Swiss government has been firm in its decision to respect the Swiss War Materiel Act.
This act makes it impossible to re-export Swiss-made war materiel to countries involved in a conflict.
But on Thursday the Security Policy Committee passed two motions to ease the rules on the re-export of Swiss armaments. The motions were approved in the Senate committee by eight votes to five.
One of the motions seeks to lift some restrictions on the export of war materiel “in exceptional circumstances and if required to ensure national security”, said the committee in a statement.
The second could also allow deliveries to countries “that are committed to our values and have similar export controls to Switzerland”.
Buyers could re-export Swiss armaments after five years, under certain conditions. Re-exports to countries that “severely” violate human rights or pose a risk to the civilian population would be banned. This would allow the re-export of Swiss-made weapons to Ukraine, but not to Russia.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:06 pm to IAmNERD
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Oh, it's definitely coming. According to this article, they're outfitting a platoon of the new directed energy lasers on Stryker vehicles. A version of the kinetic weapon has already been deployed to Europe for exercises. (I don't think that is the laser weapon, but it's the Stryker platform the laser weapons will be put on. They're just using Stingers for now with the kinetic version)
Wonder what the cost of each burst? is excluding R&D sunk costs?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:23 pm to sugar71
The Gepard is the obvious best answer to the Shaheds and other drones but there are only about 40 of them in Ukraine so you can’t cover much ground with that. They really need another 100 of them but as you said, ammo is a problem. They are hungry beasts too that can go through a lot of ammunition very fast. Crews on them already are having to fire in short bursts to conserve ammo. Ukraine can have thousands of men with a machine gun and searchlight rigged to a truck with plenty of ammunition though. Sometimes the best solution is the most primitive. The Ukrainians have shown an incredible ability to work with that they have and maximize it’s effectiveness.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:32 pm to LSUPilot07
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as you said, ammo is a problem
It has been a problem, but Germany bought back a whole lot of the ammo that it had sold to Qatar, and they are about to get their new production line in Spain operational. I think that the ammo question has mostly been resolved.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:11 pm to GOP_Tiger
I'm starting to see videos like this (combined arms/mechanized assault) emerging more frequently.
In the 1st of these two videos, The Ukrainians perform a mechanized assault on a Russian position using tanks, IFVs, and dismounted infantry with drone overwatch.
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663554010996183043
The second video shows the Ukrainians training to assault trench lines with support of IFVs
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663550260176904193
In the 1st of these two videos, The Ukrainians perform a mechanized assault on a Russian position using tanks, IFVs, and dismounted infantry with drone overwatch.
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663554010996183043
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??The ????Ukrainian military of 1 assault and 1 mechanized battalion of 3 separate assault brigades conducted successful assault operations in the #Bakhmut direction.
The result is the flight of ????Russian troops from their positions.
The second video shows the Ukrainians training to assault trench lines with support of IFVs
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663550260176904193
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??The Armed Forces of ????Ukraine conduct training on landing from the Ukrainian BTR-4 "Bucephal" and the subsequent assault on enemy trenches under the cover of a smoke screen
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:14 pm to Chromdome35
Video of a Ukrainian drone being blown out of the sky somewhere around Moscow
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663428046685192192
Another video of one exploding in a field after being shot down
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663431866186186754
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663428046685192192
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????Drones over Moscow. This one was shot down above Rublyovka, a suburb.
Another video of one exploding in a field after being shot down
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1663431866186186754
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????The village of Ilyinka near Moscow and the explosion of an unknown drone
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:20 pm to cypher
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways
Russia claimed that Ukraine conducted a series of drone strikes against Moscow on May 30 as Russia again targeted Ukraine with Iranian-made Shahed drones.
Russian President Vladimir Putin attempted to downplay the drone attack on Moscow to avoid exposing the limited options he has to retaliate against Ukraine.
The drone attack on Moscow generated varied responses from the Russian information space.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is likely attempting to conceal the high Russian losses in Ukraine by artificially inflating Ukrainian casualties in the war.
EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell stated that Russia will not enter negotiations while trying to win the war.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and northwest of Svatove, and Russian sources claimed that Russian forces conducted a ground attack south of Kreminna.
The tempo of Russian and Ukrainian offensive operations in the Bakhmut direction remains low as of May 30.
Russian forces made marginal advances amid continued ground attacks on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Russian forces did not conduct any confirmed ground attacks along the southern axis.
Russian officials are establishing domestic veteran support programs which likely aim to advertise the perks of military service in Russia.
Russian occupation officials continue to deport Ukrainian children to Russia under the guise of providing pediatric healthcare.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:22 pm to Chromdome35
Girkin doesn't like Solovyov's view on the drone attack
https://t.me/strelkovii/5154
https://t.me/strelkovii/5154
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TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov - about the attack of drones on Moscow: Why are you so happy, oh, Rublyovka, but our compatriots do not live there? Or are we no longer a single country, not a single people? So, shake yourself up a little and put away this “this is how you should be!”. So just shove your ego up your arse a little and think about the country . #bplavmoskve
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:26 pm to Chromdome35
The Storm Shadow attack on the Mariupol area a couple of days ago was to hit a recreation center being used by Russia for troops. Over a hundred soldiers were killed and many more wounded.
Video of the hits https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1663645196205142018/video/4
Video of the hits https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1663645196205142018/video/4
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
Germany would have done Ukraine a much better service by pulling some of their old Gepards out of storage and gotten them up and running again instead of sending Leopard 1 tanks. Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands all have them in storage. Just seems like a better use of money and resources getting AA systems to Ukraine rather than outdated tanks with thin armor. Not to say the Leopard 1 won’t be useful, I’m sure it will. I just question how effective they will be against other tanks.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:38 pm to LSUPilot07
Seems to confirm that the start is imminent. From Politico:
Y'all think that they really showed Sen. Graham the real plan? Or a fake plan?
quote:
The Russians are “in for a rude awakening” when the Ukrainian counteroffensive begins, Sen. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-S.C.) told NatSec Daily following a weekend trip to Kyiv.
The lawmaker received a “deep dive” briefing on Ukraine’s military plans from President VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY and his team, he said in a phone interview during his return home. “In the coming days, you’re going to see a pretty impressive display of power by the Ukrainians.”
Y'all think that they really showed Sen. Graham the real plan? Or a fake plan?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
I think he's bullshitting. They might have given him a superficial briefing at best.
They have to know that US Congressmen/Senators and their staff, can't keep their mouths shut.
They have to know that US Congressmen/Senators and their staff, can't keep their mouths shut.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:50 pm to Chromdome35
I love it. Go after troop concentrations themselves. Yes taking out ammo dumps, bridges and command posts are extremely important but what better way to demoralize the guys that Russia actually expects to carry out their invasion by blowing them to hell where they sleep? There is nowhere in Ukraine that they can hide now and know they 100% safe. I also am starting to think Ukraine received more Storm Shadows than originally thought just at the rate they are using them right now. I originally thought they got maybe 100 of them but now I think they have around 200-250 between British and French stocks; enough to do a ton of damage. Now add 100 or so ATACMS and you’re cooking with gas.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Y'all think that they really showed Sen. Graham the real plan?
Nope. They tell us only what they want us to know.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:12 pm to DMAN1968
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Nope. They tell us only what they want us to know.
Or what they want to end up on Discord
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
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ammo is a problem
Israel has the Smash 2000L, which is an AI assisted, anti-drone optic designed to be mounted on small arms.
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In recent years, drones and UAS have become a persistent threat, enabling hostile forces to gather critical tactical intelligence and even make direct attacks. These unmanned aircraft are surprisingly fast and nimble, making them very hard to counter even for skilled marksmen. SMASH family of Fire Control Solutions offers precise, swift, and simple hard-kill elimination of this threat. SMASH fire control system put a precision anti-drone capability at the fingertips of its users, featuring built-in targeting algorithms that can track and hit even very small drones skimming along at high speed, at ranges of up to 250 meters.
And their Smash AD...
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The SMASH AD includes an integrated Laser Range Finder (LRF). The SMASH AD system can also receive and display target information from an external sensor, radar, or detection system.
The user identifies the target (independently or by external sensors) while validating the target range through the LRF.
Once the target is locked, the system automatically tracks the target while the user pulls and holds the trigger until a high probable fire control (FC) solution releases the round with precision accuracy. The SMASH AD promises precise, swift, safe and simple hard-kill elimination of drone threats.
Edit: Fixed link. Added quotes.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 12:01 pm
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