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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:24 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:24 pm to CitizenK
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Zelensky is in Japan at the G7 summit and has obtained the support to Ukraine's peace proposal, "Russia returns to the pre 2014 lines and pays for rebuilding what they have destroyed." Quite reasonable.
There isn't a single leader at the G7 summit who believes that will happen, including Zelensky, but ok.
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:26 pm to FlintEastwood
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Zaluzhny
I honestly hadn't heard anything about this till you posted it. Some quick twittering found a few things but I'm gonna say I no nothing of the validity of these sources so it could all be BS
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#BreakingNews #Ukraine Commander-in-chief of Ukraine Armed Forces Valery Zaluzhny in critical condition
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The Ukrainian military correspondent Andriy Rudenko confirmed on his channel in "Telegram" that the commander in chief of the Ukrainian forces, Valery Zaluzhny, is in a critical condition and he is fighting death, after being targeted by a Russian strike
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Zaluzhny is critical in Kiev hospital after missile strike in Donetsk,,, he may even be dead now and many other NATO and Ukrainian high ranking officials ??
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Verified information says that Zaluzhny is in a clinic in Kiev, his condition is critical. The regime and Zelensky are afraid of the public disclosure of this fact, the Anglo-Saxons are against it!
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The journalist recalled that the general had ceased to appear in public since May 8. He did not even attend the important meeting of NATO defense ministers in Ramstein, where arms deliveries to Ukraine were discussed.
According to Rudenko, the commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was seriously injured while at one of the command posts of the Eastern Group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Dnipropetrovsk region. Here he checked the readiness of the parts for contrast.
“During a missile attack on military infrastructure in the Dnipropetrovsk region, this command post was hit by an accurate shot from a Russian cruise missile. As a result, a large number of high-ranking Ukrainian military personnel, including General Zaluzhny, were killed and wounded,” the military commander wrote.
Now the general is in critical condition in the main military clinical hospital. For his life he fought, including foreign experts.
“Information about Zaluzhny’s injury is indirectly confirmed by the fact that on May 10, his wife Elena was seen going up from Novospitalnaya Street to the Kiev military hospital, where she spent more than four hours” , added the journalist.
Recall that earlier on Ukrainian television they showed a documentary film with the participation of Zaluzhny, where he called the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov a strong and unpredictable enemy. It is clear that the photo was taken much earlier and may have been shown to conceal Zaluzhny’s disappearance.
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General Zaluzhny suffered severe injuries in a missile strike on the Ukrainian Armed Forces headquarters near Pavlohrad. Despite undergoing multiple surgeries, he will be unable to effectively lead the army. Western authorities have prohibited any mention of this to avoid demoralizing the soldiers before the offensive. It is widely acknowledged that without him, the Ukrainian army stands no chance of success, and any offensive would be a suicidal endeavor.
I am deeply concerned and wish to alert Ukrainian soldiers that any necessary changes in the offensive operation will be executed by someone incompetent or, worse, President Zelensky, who is seen as a clown. Nonetheless, Zaluzhny's role as the military commander is now doubtful.
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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No one really thinks Russia will agree to this do they?
Today? No, but do you think Ukraine would agree to just give up the oblasts that Russia claims even though they don't control all of the territory?
A good analogy would be Germany WWI. In 1916 Germanh wouldn't agree to what they ended up agreeing to. And we won't know what Russia or Ukraine will actually agree to until they are ready to actually talk. We aren't at that point yet for better or worse.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:36 pm to crazy4lsu
Almost none of that applies to me.
And if my critique didn’t apply to you - then you’re clearly not in the mainstream of this thread, which deems any doubt about our role or the potential unintended consequences of same as some sort of heresy.
Again, I just can’t get over people who clearly know considerable amounts about America’s long history of well intentioned foreign policy blunders deciding anyone urging caution is dense, pro-Russia, etc.
And if my critique didn’t apply to you - then you’re clearly not in the mainstream of this thread, which deems any doubt about our role or the potential unintended consequences of same as some sort of heresy.
Again, I just can’t get over people who clearly know considerable amounts about America’s long history of well intentioned foreign policy blunders deciding anyone urging caution is dense, pro-Russia, etc.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:37 pm to StormyMcMan
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin declared victory in Bakhmut City on May 20 and announced his intent to withdraw from the city on May 25.
Prigozhin’s claimed victory over the remaining areas in Bakhmut is purely symbolic even if true.
Ukrainian forces continue pressuring Bakhmut’s northern and southern flanks.
Wagner forces are unlikely to successfully conduct a controlled withdrawal from Bakhmut while in contact with Ukrainian forces within five days without disrupting the Russian MoD’s efforts to prepare for planned Ukrainian counteroffensives.
Russian conventional forces likely will still need to transfer additional forces to the Bakhmut direction even if Wagner mercenaries remain in Bakhmut.
Russian forces targeted Kyiv Oblast with Iranian-made Shahed drones on the night of May 19 to 20.
US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan stated on May 20 that the United States may agree to transfer modern combat aircraft to Ukraine, including the F-16, on the condition that Ukraine does not use them to strike Russian territory.
Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar reported that Russian sources are falsely alleging that high-ranking Ukrainian military commanders have recently died, likely to demoralize Ukrainian forces and to portray Russian forces as constraining Ukrainian counteroffensive capabilities.
Russian forces continued limited ground attacks in the Kreminna area.
Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
The Washington Post reported on May 19 that a Ukrainian commander stated that Ukrainian Special Operations forces conduct raids in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast but that Ukrainian forces do not hold stable positions there.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is incorporating mobilized and conscripted personnel into its own “Veterany” private military company (PMC), leading to discrimination and conflict.
A Lithuanian official publicly accused Russia of attempting to hold international children hostage in occupied Crimea as “human shields” against a future Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:47 pm to Pettifogger
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urging caution
Who is urging caution and what does "urging caution" even look like?
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:54 pm to StormyMcMan
Ukraine is in the final stages of preparing for its big, offensive, and Russian Telegram channels are mad because Zaluzhny isn't making public appearances? This is the dumbest crap that they've created yet, and it's insane that it's even being discussed here. Zaluzhny doesn't need to do stupid conference calls. He doesn't need to virtually attend the Rammstein meeting, because that's Reznikov's job.
Zaluzhny is busy getting his military ready to open up a can on Russian troops. Why in the world would he be making public appearances?
Zaluzhny is busy getting his military ready to open up a can on Russian troops. Why in the world would he be making public appearances?
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:55 pm to FlintEastwood
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There isn't a single leader at the G7 summit who believes that will happen, including Zelensky, but ok.
Modi agreed to it
Posted on 5/20/23 at 7:58 pm to StormyMcMan
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Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar reported that Russian sources are falsely alleging that high-ranking Ukrainian military commanders have recently died, likely to demoralize Ukrainian forces and to portray Russian forces as constraining Ukrainian counteroffensive capabilities.
Zaluzhny could end the rumors in about 45 seconds with a real quick video...Unless he is in critical condition in a hospital bed or dead.
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A Lithuanian official publicly accused Russia of attempting to hold international children hostage in occupied Crimea as “human shields” against a future Ukrainian counteroffensive.
These ISW updates are truly unreadable at this point.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:01 pm to CitizenK
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Modi agreed to it
Believes was the key word there. Do you have link to that? I would be interested in reading it
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:02 pm to northshorebamaman
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SirWinston
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I, for one, am thrilled by your comments in this thread, because if I ever find myself agreeing with you on any-fricking-thing I'm committing seppuku with a rusty butter knife straight away.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:06 pm to FlintEastwood
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Zaluzhny could end the rumors in about 45 seconds with a real quick video...Unless he is in critical condition in a hospital bed or dead.
He has better things to do.
Seriously, if Zaluzhny were dying in a hospital,
1) we would know, because we spy on the Ukrainians, and
2) some idiot in the Pentagon would have already blabbed to CNN, because that's what they do.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:08 pm to StormyMcMan
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I honestly hadn't heard anything about this till you posted it. Some quick twittering found a few things but I'm gonna say I no nothing of the validity of these sources so it could all be BS
It could definitely be BS. I actually respect Zaluzhny, just was curious why these rumors haven't been quelled considering Zelensky hasn't been in the country for a couple weeks.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 8:31 pm to FlintEastwood
Seek and you shall find. It won't be on any of the Russian media you pay attention too. It's out there in the open.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:02 pm to Pettifogger
Yall opened the gate and welcomed in the politards. Well, you got them now. Completely infested.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:12 pm to CitizenK
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Seek and you shall find. It won't be on any of the Russian media you pay attention too. It's out there in the open.
Quit blatantly making shite up to mess with "politards". Modi didn't say this
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:20 pm to jeffsdad
Bakhmut has completely fallen.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:25 pm to Stidham8
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Bakhmut has completely fallen.
Print tShirts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:26 pm to Stidham8
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Bakhmut has completely fallen.
The war is over!!!! Hip hip hooray. Hip hip hooray!!!!
Russia is racing west into Kiev and Odessa now.
Posted on 5/20/23 at 9:27 pm to Pettifogger
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Again, I just can’t get over people who clearly know considerable amounts about America’s long history of well intentioned foreign policy blunders deciding anyone urging caution is dense, pro-Russia, etc.
Why is the focus only on the blunders? The offensive realist position that the US took (best examplified by the Wolfowitz and then Bush Doctrines) saw eventual conflict with Russia as a reality, and acted accordingly. Russia also decided this too and decided early on, if we are to believe Dugin's own words, which I think are pretty exemplary of the Russian nationalist wing. If the hardline Russian nationalists saw the potential for conflict in the 90's, and wrote about it explicitly, then what if this conflict was a guarantee, with the only question of when it would occur?
The relevant time for urging caution may have been 3 decades ago. In the intervening time, both sides have acted as though conflict was assured, which is more telling than reducing everything to blunders and victories.
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