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Limit of growing pains allowed for CBK in first 2 years?
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:07 am
First off - stoked with CBK’s vision and plan. The guy is already off to a good start, hiring very solid coaches, and he will get recruiting/portal going.
But I’m curious what tRant’s limits to bumps in the road during the first 2 years are. I would accept 8-4/9-3 type seasons the first 2 years as long as our losses weren’t due to poor coaching/scheme and lack of adjustments.
As long as we see solid development of the kids and increasingly impressive recruiting classes, I can live with 8-4 for 2 years. But we need to compete for a natty in 2024.
Thoughts?
But I’m curious what tRant’s limits to bumps in the road during the first 2 years are. I would accept 8-4/9-3 type seasons the first 2 years as long as our losses weren’t due to poor coaching/scheme and lack of adjustments.
As long as we see solid development of the kids and increasingly impressive recruiting classes, I can live with 8-4 for 2 years. But we need to compete for a natty in 2024.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:09 am to Yaboylsu63
If his first play from scrimmage is a run? Fire CBK. Signed, tRant.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:10 am to Yaboylsu63
Considering that Orgeron literally burned the program to the ground, the fans will need to understand that this is a true rebuild. Putting arbitrary timelines and then want to fire a coach after two years is going to put us right back where we are.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:10 am to Yaboylsu63
8-4 the first year....yeah, but 2 years in a row....no. My expectation with Kelly would be no more than 2-3 losses the second season or I'm going to start being concerned.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:13 am to Yaboylsu63
8-5ish year 1, improvement year 2 maybe get to 10-3 but would be okay with 9-4. By year 3 it’s time to roll.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:13 am to Yaboylsu63
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stoked with CBK’s vision and plan.
I’m not sure we really know what his vision and plan is yet. I’m not saying I have a problem with him as the coach, just don’t know his plan yet.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:14 am to Yaboylsu63
Dude is guaranteed 90% left on his $100 million contract if he’s fired. He could go 0-12 both years, and he’s not going anywhere.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:15 am to Yaboylsu63
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I would accept
Lol
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:16 am to Yaboylsu63
16/17 wins his first two years would be totally acceptable. This thing is so down now that anything more than that would be lagniappe
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:16 am to Yaboylsu63
Dave Aranda will be here in 5 years baw.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:17 am to Yaboylsu63
There's no way to know until we see the final roster.
Traditionally, LSU has fared worse in the even years because it means they play AT Auburn, Florida and A&M. LSU gets Alabama at home. But considering LSU hasn't beaten Alabama in Tiger Stadium in over a decade I don't know if I'd say the homefield advantage is great. Tennessee is the rotating East opponent. But that game is in BR.
Assuming LSU will have to replace a lot of players, I'd say 8-4 is probably a reasonable O/U. Florida is somewhat in the same boat as LSU. Same for Auburn. But to a lesser extent since this will be year 2 under the new staff.
If LSU can beat FSU to start the season, win all of their home games except for Alabama, and get 2 road wins over (Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, A&M). 8-4 is doable. Even in a roster rebuild. On paper I think you can say only Alabama, Georgia, and A&M unequivocally have a better roster than LSU...even in LSU's currently depleted state.
Traditionally, LSU has fared worse in the even years because it means they play AT Auburn, Florida and A&M. LSU gets Alabama at home. But considering LSU hasn't beaten Alabama in Tiger Stadium in over a decade I don't know if I'd say the homefield advantage is great. Tennessee is the rotating East opponent. But that game is in BR.
Assuming LSU will have to replace a lot of players, I'd say 8-4 is probably a reasonable O/U. Florida is somewhat in the same boat as LSU. Same for Auburn. But to a lesser extent since this will be year 2 under the new staff.
If LSU can beat FSU to start the season, win all of their home games except for Alabama, and get 2 road wins over (Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, A&M). 8-4 is doable. Even in a roster rebuild. On paper I think you can say only Alabama, Georgia, and A&M unequivocally have a better roster than LSU...even in LSU's currently depleted state.
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:17 am to Yaboylsu63
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what tRant’s limits
Doesn't matter.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:22 am to Yaboylsu63
Recruiting will tell future success. He will need to get some DB’s, LB’s, Dlinemen and a C in this portal/recruiting class. Then next year he will have to land a top 5 class and have the NIL deals lined up. NIL and player development is the future. We are buying mercenaries more than recruiting kids that just really want to play for LSU.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:23 am to Yaboylsu63
15-0 minimum
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:26 am to Yaboylsu63
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But I’m curious what tRant’s limits to bumps in the road during the first 2 years are
The rant’s limits mean jack fricking shite.
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I would accept 8-4/9-3 type seasons the first 2 years as long as our losses weren’t due to poor coaching/scheme and lack of adjustments
The Rant is always gonna blame any loss on one or more of those things, no matter what.
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But we need to compete for a natty in 2024.
I think we might actually compete for one in 2023. The transfer portal is a wide open option nowadays. No need to completely rebuild from the bottom up, just grab a few key positions from the portal and we are relevant again.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:27 am to Yaboylsu63
If we aren't up 21-0 by mid 1st against Florida state the rant will call for his head and call us the new Tennessee
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:33 am to Yaboylsu63
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But I’m curious what tRant’s limits to bumps in the road during the first 2 years are. I would accept 8-4/9-3 type seasons the first 2 years as long as our losses weren’t due to poor coaching/scheme and lack of adjustments.
Most fans are reasonable. The people who post on the rant would be ready to fire him if there was a game next week and the team didn't look awesome.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:38 am to Yaboylsu63
I'm not sure some fully grasp the situation right now. We just put essentially a 1-11 to 3-9 type team out for our bowl game. That team would have only beaten McNeese on our schedule this year plus maybe got lucky in 1/2 other games. That's where the program is at right now.
Year 1 expectations should be very low. I'm not saying we're definitely a 4-8 to 6-6 type team, but we have to see what he can even assemble on the roster in the next few months to put on the field for next season. It's possible we hit it huge in the portal and can put a very competitive 8-4 type team out there but it's also a possibility we're severely depth hurt in areas that cause the team to be more 6-6ish not unlike the last few years.
The vision of BK is pretty apparent and made it so during the bowl game. He is hitting the portal as hard as he can to put together as competitive a roster as he can for 2022. After that, he wants to build the program through more and more freshmen as he gets his staff fully in place and can hit the trail hard there. My guess is we get somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 transfers with 17-22 freshmenin the 2022 class. Then in the 2023 class, we're looking more like 20 freshmen to 5 transfers. Then by 2024 class getting mostly freshmen then a few (high level only) transfers with that model moving forward.
He first has to put the band aid on (take a ton of transfers) before program building (freshmen, ones who arent leaving in droves every season as well).
Year 1 expectations should be very low. I'm not saying we're definitely a 4-8 to 6-6 type team, but we have to see what he can even assemble on the roster in the next few months to put on the field for next season. It's possible we hit it huge in the portal and can put a very competitive 8-4 type team out there but it's also a possibility we're severely depth hurt in areas that cause the team to be more 6-6ish not unlike the last few years.
The vision of BK is pretty apparent and made it so during the bowl game. He is hitting the portal as hard as he can to put together as competitive a roster as he can for 2022. After that, he wants to build the program through more and more freshmen as he gets his staff fully in place and can hit the trail hard there. My guess is we get somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 transfers with 17-22 freshmenin the 2022 class. Then in the 2023 class, we're looking more like 20 freshmen to 5 transfers. Then by 2024 class getting mostly freshmen then a few (high level only) transfers with that model moving forward.
He first has to put the band aid on (take a ton of transfers) before program building (freshmen, ones who arent leaving in droves every season as well).
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:42 am to Yaboylsu63
I think 8-5 year 1 is perfectly reasonably, then 9+ year 2, then 10+ in perpetuity is the expectation.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:42 am to Yaboylsu63
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8-4/9-3 type
‘One of us led us to 12 victories…. Over two seasons, but that’s not the point. If CBK can’t get perfection out the gate, we need to fire him and go get Herman”
-tRant.
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