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NIL recruiting, retention, and political implications. What should be done?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:39 am
This is a hot topic that has many implications. I wasn’t sure which board this should go on because it has as much recruiting and political implications as it does rant implications. It also gets down to a state legislative issue as some states push to create a more liberal NIL policy to attract recruits.
Should this issue come down to a national federal law? The Supreme Court will rarely intervene in issues decided at the federal level, meaning laws created by the majority or will of the people.
Everyone, no matter how athletic, smart, good looking or whatever NIL attribute you can exhibit has the right to earn money for those endeavors.
The question lies in what time frame should that occur and at what competitive advantage would that give one institution over another.
The Supreme Court ruled that anyone should be able to profit over NIL. I’m not a big fan of the NCAA but I believe we need a system/law set up or passed that only allows for institutions to facilitate NIL deals after a student athlete is enrolled in a school. This does not preclude a HS athlete from individually seeking out deals and would likely result in many back door dealings but the decision on which school to attend shouldn’t be based on any monetary enticement the school can offer. No doubt, the bigger the city/market, the bigger the NIL opportunity presents.
It’s a difficult topic to discuss but, if you could, what restraints would you put on the current NIL recruiting and retention environment?
Should this issue come down to a national federal law? The Supreme Court will rarely intervene in issues decided at the federal level, meaning laws created by the majority or will of the people.
Everyone, no matter how athletic, smart, good looking or whatever NIL attribute you can exhibit has the right to earn money for those endeavors.
The question lies in what time frame should that occur and at what competitive advantage would that give one institution over another.
The Supreme Court ruled that anyone should be able to profit over NIL. I’m not a big fan of the NCAA but I believe we need a system/law set up or passed that only allows for institutions to facilitate NIL deals after a student athlete is enrolled in a school. This does not preclude a HS athlete from individually seeking out deals and would likely result in many back door dealings but the decision on which school to attend shouldn’t be based on any monetary enticement the school can offer. No doubt, the bigger the city/market, the bigger the NIL opportunity presents.
It’s a difficult topic to discuss but, if you could, what restraints would you put on the current NIL recruiting and retention environment?
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:40 am to Asleepinthecove
Offseason thread during the season?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:42 am to Asleepinthecove
Should remain as is. NIL is American as apple pie and hot dogs on the 4th of July. LOVE IT!!!!
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:43 am to Asleepinthecove
Make the athletes employees with contracts.
It’s the only solution at this point that won’t be struck down in court.
It’s the only solution at this point that won’t be struck down in court.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:43 am to ProjectP2294
It’s a slow conversation day on the rant and recruiting is year round implications for what the future looks like for the football team. Like I said, maybe this should be on the recruiting or political board but the rant can hit on all these topics at the same time.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:44 am to Asleepinthecove
We have a game Saturday
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:47 am to Draconian Sanctions
I think the good far outweighs the negative with NIL.
Some schools may say we don't want to compete at that level or can't but there will be enough that do to sustain it and the players deserve that compensation.
Honestly, the bigger issue is teams/players unionizing and becoming employees with revenue sharing. That is a bigger threat to the collegiate model and being able to sustain it especially for the minor sports.
Some schools may say we don't want to compete at that level or can't but there will be enough that do to sustain it and the players deserve that compensation.
Honestly, the bigger issue is teams/players unionizing and becoming employees with revenue sharing. That is a bigger threat to the collegiate model and being able to sustain it especially for the minor sports.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:05 am to Asleepinthecove
quote:
The Supreme Court will rarely intervene in issues decided at the federal level, meaning laws created by the majority or will of the people.
if the laws are unconstitutional they will and do
Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:08 am to Asleepinthecove
Yes, the solution to the problem created by government is more government.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:42 am to Asleepinthecove
Free market at work.
It’s not always going to turn out the way you want. That’s the nature of it.
It’s not always going to turn out the way you want. That’s the nature of it.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:57 am to Asleepinthecove
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The Supreme Court ruled that anyone should be able to profit over NIL.
No, they didn't, actually. Though everyone pretty much agrees the writing was on the wall with the way this ruling came down.
https://cbjlawyers.com/ncaa-student-athletes-compensation/#:~:text=Alston%2C%20the%20Supreme%20Court%20unanimously,and%20benefits%20to%20student%20athletes.
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In National Collegiate Athletic Association v. Alston, the Supreme Court unanimously held that the NCAA may no longer restrict member institutions from offering education-related compensation and benefits to student athletes. Such compensation and benefits include cash awards for academic achievement, graduate degree and vocational school scholarships, and computers.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:32 pm to Asleepinthecove
quote:
I believe we need a system/law set up or passed that only allows for institutions to facilitate NIL deals after a student athlete is enrolled in a school.
Why should an adult be limited from profiting off of their likeness just because they play a sport at a university?
Amatureism and kids being students first and athletes second has been shown to be nothing but idealism now.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:40 pm to DBG
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Make the athletes employees with contracts.
How would you do that if the school isn't giving out the nil money.
Do you mean just have them become employees of whichever company they sign an nil deal with?
I think they basically are employees.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:43 pm to Dizz
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Why should an adult be limited from profiting off of their likeness just because they play a sport at a university?
I am not advocating the limitation on the Athlete, only the university. The enticement of NIL shouldn’t come from the University during recruiting. They should only be allowed to help facilitate NIL agreements after the student athlete is enrolled in school. If the Athlete wants to seek out the NIL agreement in the area by where the school is located, then that would be at the athletes choice. The universities shouldn’t be allowed to use NIL as an enticement to sign with a certain school. I am actually advocating for these kids to be able to make money but the university shouldn’t be involved in obtaining such deals for the kids until they are enrolled.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:47 pm to Chalkywhite84
You scrap all this NIL shite and the schools pay them.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:13 pm to Asleepinthecove
quote:Just like most professional sports, I would get the players to form a union with authority to agree to a collective bargaining agreement.
what restraints would you put on the current NIL recruiting and retention environment
Amateurism in Power 5 football is a myth and has been for decades. Schools and entities that profit from college football have received billions of dollars in windfalls due to the legacy of amateurism. Schools have merely had to provide tuition, room, board, perks, etc. typically at or around marginal cost.
How much would players receive in compensation above and beyond tuition, room, board, perks, etc. if there were no regulations preventing them from receiving that compensation?
College football generates more than $4 billion in annual revenue for the 65 universities making up the Power 5. Most of the major professional sports share revenue between teams and players. Typically it's right around 50%-50%.
How many Power 5 schools are paying their players an aggregate of $30 million? ($2 billion / 65)
As a firm believer in free markets, I believe the players should receive what the market would bear if there were no regulations preventing them from receiving that compensation.
Why should government and quasi-government regulations prohibit players from earning market compensation?
quote:So if a team pays all 85 players $100,000, the total player payroll would be $8.5 million. Seems like it might be too low.
“For really good players out of high school,” he says, “you’re talking $100,000 a year.”
– Ross Dellenger, Sports Illustrated
How many professional sports have coaches who are paid multiples of the highest paid player?
LINK
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:33 pm to Asleepinthecove
quote:
the decision on which school to attend shouldn’t be based on any monetary enticement the school can offer.
So you want pay-to-play.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:44 pm to Salviati
quote:
Just like most professional sports, I would get the players to form a union with authority to agree to a collective bargaining agreement. Amateurism in Power 5 football is a myth and has been for decades. Schools and entities that profit from college football have received billions of dollars in windfalls due to the legacy of amateurism. Schools have merely had to provide tuition, room, board, perks, etc. typically at or around marginal cost. How much would players receive in compensation above and beyond tuition, room, board, perks, etc. if there were no regulations preventing them from receiving that compensation? College football generates more than $4 billion in annual revenue for the 65 universities making up the Power 5. Most of the major professional sports share revenue between teams and players. Typically it's right around 50%-50%. How many Power 5 schools are paying their players an aggregate of $30 million? ($2 billion / 65) As a firm believer in free markets, I believe the players should receive what the market would bear if there were no regulations preventing them from receiving that compensation. Why should government and quasi-government regulations prohibit players from earning market compensation?
I agree with a lot of what you say but how do we prevent schools from bidding on these players and the money escalating to the point where it’s passed on to the consumers? Should there be a salary cap enforced on all power 5 colleges, similar to the NFL?
I know consumers can choose to support or not support this by not attending games but what happens when these cost trickle down to the students attending these schools? The cost of college schooling has already skyrocketed due to the monetary policy and the free money that has been around for students to borrow, what happens when they start paying the players enormous amounts of money?
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 9/20/23 at 2:51 pm to Asleepinthecove
Ohio State AD recently testified that there is now emerging a practice of asking for $5,000 to just have a recruiting visit to a school. Now if all the top recruits see that this is also an option where does it end? It will get to the point where Collegiate football is no different than NFL. Maybe worse. You may love the free market but there is a reason college sports fan base has been so passionate about their teams. There was a connection. That connection is slowly deteriorating.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 3:29 pm to Asleepinthecove
quote:Yes. That's the whole point of my proposal for a union and collective bargaining.
I agree with a lot of what you say but how do we prevent schools from bidding on these players and the money escalating to the point where it’s passed on to the consumers? Should there be a salary cap enforced on all power 5 colleges, similar to the NFL?
quote:You have to be kidding.
I know consumers can choose to support or not support this by not attending games but what happens when these cost trickle down to the students attending these schools? The cost of college schooling has already skyrocketed due to the monetary policy and the free money that has been around for students to borrow, what happens when they start paying the players enormous amounts of money?
College football generates more than $4 billion in annual revenue for the 65 universities making up the Power 5.
That revenue would be the source of salaries for the players. You don't have to tap students or tuition to pay players.
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