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re: Why I’m good with Napier
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:37 am to dos crystal
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:37 am to dos crystal
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1) The man took over one of the worst programs in the country and turned it into a winner.
Okay okay that’s a bit much, UL was mediocre under Hudspeth but Nap has taken them to the next level in the mid major ladder. Definitely never seen this type of success before
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:37 am to Tiger Voodoo
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That’s straight up Alleva bullshite and Woodward isn’t worth half of what he’s being paid if that’s how he conducts a search.
No it's not Alleva bullshite.
Ed was a position coach with an overall losing record as HC when Alleva hired him, then said some bullshite like "it was Ed all along."
Napier has taken a perennial cellar dwellar to 10+ wins three years in a row. He's doing the very thing Ed never could.
Woodward is obviously trying to get Riley, but I'm not sure many people know how hard it is to pry a blue blood's coach from them, and I'm sure even less people will appreciate that Napier is a damn strong hire if that's who Woodward hires.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:38 am to dos crystal
He’s not even the best coach in the sun belt.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:40 am to dos crystal
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The man took over one of the worst programs in the country and turned it into a winner.
Ok. Let’s not pretend ULL was a winless program when he took it over. Has he elevated them? Yes, but they were not even close to one of the worst programs in the country. I get that you like Napier, but don’t try to pump him up based on he supposedly took over one of the worst programs in the country because he didn’t. Have you looked at their records since 2010? There are some bad years scattered in but they are no where near what you’re trying to claim.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:44 am to ibldprplgld
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Napier has taken a perennial cellar dwellar
This is myth and a propaganda narrative. ULL went bowling a ton with the coach just preceding Napier, bro.
Now if you had said ULM instead of ULL, it would be more accurate. Or GSU or South Alabama.
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Ed was a position coach
Napier has been a positional coach for all but 2 years prior to his tenure at ULL. He's a "positional coach", too for all intents and purposes.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:54 am to dos crystal
Woody will swing for the fences with a big name coach or 2, or 3.
But it’s good to know a guy like Napier is available if we miss on the big name guys. Because I also think he’d do well. He’s just a few names down the list when you start hearing names like Riley and Aranda.
But it’s good to know a guy like Napier is available if we miss on the big name guys. Because I also think he’d do well. He’s just a few names down the list when you start hearing names like Riley and Aranda.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:55 am to dos crystal
Napier would be a massive upgrade over the last 16 years worth of LSU coaching so I would be completely fine with it.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:00 am to cas4t
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But it’s good to know a guy like Napier is available if we miss on the big name guys. Because I also think he’d do well. He’s just a few names down the list when you start hearing names like Riley and Aranda.
Yeah I'm fine with Napier as a budget/backup plan.
But people trying to promote him like he's this super candidate are silly. That's why the arguments require so many lies and propaganda.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah I'm fine with Napier as a budget/backup plan.
But people trying to promote him like he's this super candidate are silly.
Maybe I’ve missed it but I haven’t really seen anyone put Napier over Riley or really even Aranda.
Just a bunch of people saying that Napier is still a good coach so if it gets down to him there’s no reason to melt.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
I’ve said before he was my #1, but it was in jest. You obviously have to land a big fish if they’re available. Even if it’s just for the optics of recruiting.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:13 am to CottonWasKing
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Maybe I’ve missed it but I haven’t really seen anyone put Napier over Riley or really even Aranda.
Shhh, he doesn’t spread propaganda. Everyone else does.
I mean, he was only a OC twice, for all intense and purpose he’s never been one! What truth that is! Alternative facts in a propaganda world I guess.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:14 am to ibldprplgld
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Napier has taken a perennial cellar dwellar
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He's doing the very thing Ed never could.
Yeah, doing more than Ed did before he was hired isn’t the bar I’m hoping Scott has set.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:14 am to dos crystal
Riley and Aranda are my top 2, but Napier has done a good job at ULL. He's replaced 6 coaches on his staff this season which is not easy to continue success with that turnover.
What concerns me about him is as the HC/OC his offense is not very good. They take a long time to get settled and don't seem to have an identity. Lewis has been the QB for 4 years and although he's going to be a team record holder, does not look like he's developed very well. He's extremely inconsistent and although his numbers look pretty good, watching his play is not impressive. Kind of like Max - great numbers, but the inconsistencies are significant.
So ultimately if Napier did get the job you still have to find 2 very good coordinators because I just don't see him as an offensive guru. None of that takes away from what he's done and he could be the next great HC, but he's still risky at this point. JMHO
What concerns me about him is as the HC/OC his offense is not very good. They take a long time to get settled and don't seem to have an identity. Lewis has been the QB for 4 years and although he's going to be a team record holder, does not look like he's developed very well. He's extremely inconsistent and although his numbers look pretty good, watching his play is not impressive. Kind of like Max - great numbers, but the inconsistencies are significant.
So ultimately if Napier did get the job you still have to find 2 very good coordinators because I just don't see him as an offensive guru. None of that takes away from what he's done and he could be the next great HC, but he's still risky at this point. JMHO
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah I'm fine with Napier as a budget/backup plan.
But people trying to promote him like he's this super candidate are silly. That's why the arguments require so many lies and propaganda.
I agree with all of you guys. He's a good coach, would do well here for sure and Ill be happy with the hire. But coaching at ULL means his school is surrounded by kids who run a sub 4.5 40, just like LSU so it tends to make coaching easier.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:16 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:15 am to dos crystal
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for all intense and purpose
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he was only a OC twice
He was an OC at Clemson for a year and was fired
Then he was an OC at ASU for a year and left
He has no sustained success as an OC and has been a positional coach-recruiter otherwise. O was a DC for 2 years also prior to being LSU's HC (one year at Ole Miss when he was HC and one stint at USC as co-DC). l
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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Wait what? This is where you start?
They went 5-7 and 4-4 in conference their last year with Hud, bro. That's not "one of the worst programs in the country", especially after they had some success with Hud just prior to Napier.
If you look at the schedules between the two you will see all of those hudspeth 9 win seasons had one extra P5 opponent compared to Napier.
HUD was a very hot name for a year or two and overstayed his time thinking he could land better.
We could very well be hiring mark hudspeth 2.0
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:18 am to BayouCowboy
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What concerns me about him is as the HC/OC his offense is not very good. T
Because he's not a quality OC. He lacks coordinator-level coaching, which is why he's got major O/Miles vibes.
It also plays into why his teams haven't performed to their talent level after his recruiting and "process".
People who put Napier ahead of Aranda always bring up recruiting, but recruiting is about effort and money. Also most of that is done by positional coaches. You can "buy" recruiting. You can theoretically "buy" coaching, but its' a lot more expensive and creates a much more unstable situation (see: Orgeron, Ed, 2016-2021).
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Napier has been a positional coach for all but 2 years prior to his tenure at ULL. He's a "positional coach", too for all intents and purposes.
He’s also only 42 & not 55, though.
He has 7 years of OC/HC experience
I think that is pretty suitable for someone his age.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:23 am to Lester Earl
I'm talking about his Xs and Os history. He really doesn't have any worth noting. One bad year at Clemson and then one pretty decent year at ASU. His offensive schematics as HC at ULL have been pretty mediocre.
He's a recruiter and CEO guy as HC. The sooner he gives up on believing in his iffy offense the better for him. LSU or otherwise.
He's a recruiter and CEO guy as HC. The sooner he gives up on believing in his iffy offense the better for him. LSU or otherwise.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:25 am to dos crystal
Napier is a great coach.
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