re: Unless Coach O explodes... It's Herman, Jimbo, then CEO

There is a difference in putting on your best face and saying things like "whatever is good for the tigers, i'm for that" and how he would be watching and rooting for LSU in the years to come.

And i'm sorry I called you stupid, but saying Miles doesn't love LSU or "bleed purple & gold" was very misguided and kind of harsh as he seems like a pretty genuine guy and all his comments have indicated that he still loves LSU - unless you think he was lying in all of his interviews.

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I have just seen a lot of commentary like "this coach will lose 3 games a year" and I was just saying that i think 2/3 losses a year with every 3/4 years making a run at 1-loss / undefeated season and make it in to the playoffs is what you can expect in the SEC these days. That is mainly what I was replying to.

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Fair point, I'm not sold Jimbo could be a every 3-4 years coach at LSU, but yes I agree that he would be a very stable hire that could make a run occasionally. I simply also believe that Orgeron is capable of that with the right coordinators. He's a great motivator and an excellent recruiter who has gone on record to say he has learned to let his coaches do their jobs. I'm not saying Jimbo sucks, I'm saying I don't think the results would be that far apart between he and Orgeron. Herman could definitely faceplant. Someone brought up a great point recently that Herman's resume is almost identical to Strong's when he was hired at UT. Nothing is for sure. Still, if you truly think your program could be elite then you have to decide if you're willing to go through a few duds to find the next Meyer or Saban, because you know what you're getting in Jimbo and it's not Saban or Meyer.

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He will not garner any consideration from any Top 20 program. Period.

Why should a top 5ish program like LSU consider him?

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yep. He needs to go to a non power 5 team as head coach and have some success first.

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yep. He needs to go to a non power 5 team as head coach and have some success first.

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because the experience of developing 2 stars at Banana Tech is the same as running a top tier program?

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too soon to know but he has exceeded expectations so far.

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I refuse to let one game sell me on a guy permanently. Helton just destroyed Arizona State and a lot of that fanbase still can't wait to get rid of him. Consistency will determine Coach O's fate and he'll get the opportunity to prove something.

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too soon to know but he has exceeded expectations so far.


I refuse to let one game sell me on a guy permanently. Helton just destroyed Arizona State and a lot of that fanbase still can't wait to get rid of him. Consistency will determine Coach O's fate and he'll get the opportunity to prove something.

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We agree

I am optimistic though

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They would need to be an all time great to even met expectations and that is just not realistic.

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But isn't that exactly what the next hire needs to be now that you've fired Miles? Isn't that what LSU is saying? If it isn't, what was the point of it all? One way or another, it's championships or bust. We fired a guy who won a championship who replaced a guy that had won a championship. the new guy has to win, win big, win often AND unseat Saban at a 50% clip or all we did was change window dressing.

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I totally understand your concerns but you can't not hire someone that just would have done what he did. Allot of coaches have been hired at big programs for doing less than winning .875 out of their last 16 games and multiple wins against top 5 teams.

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Don't disagree...I'm just arguing that doing that as an interim is not, in my opinion, the same thing as doing it as the head guy form day one of your own program. Fundamentally, I think we're talking apples and oranges.

In both cases, Orgeron will have had the luxury of taking over programs and being able to swing for the fences with essentially no pressure...unless you consider the potential that he could win the job as pressure. I think you behave differently when that's your role versus when it's not...and unfortunately, the only time he's not been the interim was as the HC at OM.

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unless you consider the potential that he could win the job as pressure

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I certainly consider that pressure. The dude is trying to win his dream job. Not just a job in his chosen field. Not just the job position he has always wanted. But the EXACT job in the EXACT place he wants to be, the job that only one person in the world can have. As far as he's concerned, he's the President.

It's hard to imagine a position with more pressure, aside from actually being President.

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The only advantage the LSU job has over the Texas job is a 1 loss LSU has a better shot at the playoff than a 1 loss Texas. Not many coaches are going to want to jump in bed with Arkansas, Bama, Ole Miss, aTm and Auburn when Texas is the alternate option

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You are forgetting another biggie, or two:

** LSU's talent right now is much, much better than Texas talent on the roster. A coach looking to win big within the next 2 years is much better off at LSU, imo. Keep in mind they are basically firing Strong right now 2.5 years in, so timing can be everything.

** LSU's recruiting base is LA, East Texas, Houston, Mississippi, and routinely has cherry-picked Florida and Georgia and Alabama. Texas has only Texas these days because they've lost their national appeal (for now). I know the state is huge and tons of talent, but lots of good schools have recruiting footholds there. I'd say it is at worst a push here, and probably slight advantage to LSU.